If these figures are right and MDT does indeed not reach 50, they will come in tied with the 10th latest date to not reach 50 entering the winter season. I have been nerding on stats lately and MJS has been gracious in not getting mad :-). Ha. About 3/4 of years, MDT has stayed under 50 by some time in October. Some of this can be attributed to the lack of rain and clouds this year.