@MillvilleWx if we can’t get a good, old-fashioned cold shot with the source region that frigid, by mid January at the latest, then it might be time to quit winter in the Mid-Atlantic. I’m not even talking anything that dramatic. Like highs near freezing and lows in the low-mid 10s without snowcover and perfect radiational cooling conditions. Shouldn’t be as hard as it’s been for the last 2-3 years!!