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E PA/NJ/DE Autumn 2025 Obs/Discussion
ChescoWx replied to PhiEaglesfan712's topic in Philadelphia Region
Some of our colder valley locations saw temperatures again this morning below freezing. Here in East Nantmeal on the ridges of the Welsh Mountain anticline at 685 feet ASL we only got down to 39.1 degrees this morning. Another below normal day today with ridge locations struggling to get out of the 50's for high temperatures. We do warm over the weekend with temperatures reaching as high as the low 70's on Sunday before we begin another chill down next week with below normal temperatures by mid-week. We have some good shower chances by later Sunday into the evening. -
Words of wisdom WolfStock1 - thank you!!
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I suggest you look more closely at what you stated above.....the facts I clearly showed say the cooling your spoke of at Coatesville did not occur!
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Always refreshing to hear from this old reliable climate change committee! As if often the case the reliability of this and other CC groups is easily questioned due to ongoing concerns like clear politicization, flawed scientific methodologies,selective use of data, poor lack of realistic solutions and a general lack of accountability etc. For example from their 2022 report they actually suggested a significant expansion of energy crops and wood pellet use would be necessary for the UK to reach net zero. As is usually the case with this group this thinking was clearly unrealistic and poorly thought through! This move would in reality require up to 6% of the UK farmland which of course would jeopardize their food production. On behalf of our friends in the UK - thanks but no thanks!!!
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@chubbs Actually Charlie there is total agreement across the 3 stations for those 1948-1949 station moves. Like you said this is easy with the actual data to see the real impact of any station moves. Unlike what you said above we did not see cooling after the station move! The first full year (1949) after the Coatesville move away from what you think was a UHI location - actually saw Coatesville warm by 2.2 degrees and not cool when moving away from the "heat island". As you can see below red is warmer changes and blue is cooler changes in annual temperatures. Perfect agreement as all stations warmed in 1949 following the Coatesville station move and cooled in a similar rate in 1950.
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Central PA Fall Discussions and Obs
ChescoWx replied to ChescoWx's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
Many of our valley spots across the area saw lows this morning in the 30's with the lowest being our typical coldest spot up in Warwick Township at 33.2 degrees. While some higher spots like West Grove only made it as low as 42.8 degrees. There are a couple of below normal temperature days on the way both today and tomorrow before we moderate to near normal by Saturday and briefly above normal on Sunday before we chill down again to start the new work week. Next rain chances arrive on Sunday night with the next cold front. -
E PA/NJ/DE Autumn 2025 Obs/Discussion
ChescoWx replied to PhiEaglesfan712's topic in Philadelphia Region
Many of our valley spots across the area saw lows this morning in the 30's with the lowest being our typical coldest spot up in Warwick Township at 33.2 degrees. While some higher spots like West Grove only made it as low as 42.8 degrees. There are a couple of below normal temperature days on the way both today and tomorrow before we moderate to near normal by Saturday and briefly above normal on Sunday before we chill down again to start the new work week. Next rain chances arrive on Sunday night with the next cold front. -
Scary for sure....but like all these longer term forecasts to date...highly unlikely to come close to reality!!
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Ah so because one does not believe it is a significant threat (which most do not) if you fail on the 2nd part of that little test you are a Climate Denier. If that is true than are you as the dictionary says meeting the definition of a "climate alarmist" which is " a person who exaggerates the dangers of climate change and its potential impacts, often by using sensationalized language or promoting policies based on these exaggerated fears. ???
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Again Don there is of course no such thing as a climate change denial movement - climate of course always changes correct?? That term is an example of what fake news is! Now the magnitude of any impact that man may have had on the many varied climate cycles the earth has gone through is certainly on the table... and some day it's true scientific impact may be quantified. But please keep in mind that I am not the one that chooses to use such dark language....by using the words you choose above you are indeed fear mongering. I know you really believe what you post but I really believe it does more harm than good to paint such a dark future without adequate science and proven models to support such miserable predictions.
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Hi Hazwoper....you may not be clear on what data I use It is only for Chester County PA. It is a combo of NWS COOP Trained Spotter /AWOS /DEOS , USCR and GOES data sourced data points. If in doubt take a look at my website which lists and links to all of the data points at www.chescowx.com I draw no conclusions but do assume there exists no known climate fence around the perimeters of beautiful Chester County PA LOL!!
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Notice the facts below how even that station that Charlie terms "consistent data" at Phoenixville was in reality missing around 20 years of data. from 1895 through 1914. Also take a look how those big 3 stations were all deeply discounted and adjusted downward. This includes both those stations that Charlie thinks are somehow "heat islands" and those that are not....what again is the control arm used for these changes? How can the revised temperature not have any actual control station in the county that supports or aligns with the coolest station in the county? Instead NOAA adjusts to a figure so much lower with these post hoc altered adjustments to arrive at a revised temperature that is in fact not rooted at all to any factual temperatures of any stations at all in the entire county of Chester? Keep in mind in 29 of these 30 years they inserted a temperature lower than ANY ACTUAL STATION in the entire county.....where is the control data for the County??? It cannot be in some other county it just cannot!!
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The above is a dystopian view not rooted in actual science, reality or facts....you point to faulty future state models to support your fears. Do you ever read what you post? The following words are why those that believe in some scary climate religion are now quickly losing followers. The fear mongering is pervasive in the above words and thoughts chosen by Don. He chooses words such as "crumbling coast" , "families watched helplessly", "erosion devoured", "tides insatiable pull", "ocean reclaimed", "destruction will spread", "societal sickness", "infection", "rejection of science", "sustainability breaks down", "deepening societal sickness", "narrowing window". Don where is this "tragedy of climate change"? All of those words and fear mongering you threw at us above only hurts the science you attempt to defend. This kind of narrative and post is exactly why folks are moving away from any belief that climate change is anything other than a typical cyclical occurrence. If we keep crying wolf like Al Gore about melting ice caps, increasing number of hurricanes, intensity and coastline obliteration followed by the verifiable facts failing to support these predictions this doubt about our future climate state will only deepen and spread....you can count on that!
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Hi rcostell just an FYI a troll is someone who posts offensive, provocative or disruptive content that upset others under the cover of anonymity. I am not anonymous I appropriately reference all data. I have a weather website with clear links to all data. It is real and it is not fake. A poster cannot be a troll for simply posting actual real NWS data. Why would you or anyone be "offended" by the audacity of posting the raw climate data that you disagree with?? It is science being debated with facts - that is of course not trolling at all!
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LOL! showing photos that are not from 1945 or 1948 certainly support these altered temperature adjustments. And you are good at ignoring the factual actual data that does not support your world view of climate. You never answer where is the control data for the county? Answer not in Chester County PA at all! The fact is NOAA chose to adjust the temperature to levels below any other reporting site in the county on a consistent basis almost every year before and after the move for decades in a row. That is the epitome of fake data. We only traffic in actual data not fantasy!!
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Central PA Fall Discussions and Obs
ChescoWx replied to ChescoWx's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
Below normal temperatures should continue for much of the next week with the exception of Sunday which could see some valley locations touch the low 70's. Our next rain chances look to increase by later Sunday with the next cold front. We turn below normal again to start next week. -
E PA/NJ/DE Autumn 2025 Obs/Discussion
ChescoWx replied to PhiEaglesfan712's topic in Philadelphia Region
Below normal temperatures should continue for much of the next week with the exception of Sunday which could see some valley locations touch the low 70's. Our next rain chances look to increase by later Sunday with the next cold front. We turn below normal again to start next week. -
LOL! and you have never shown a single station that is warranted!! Sorry Charlie as you well know those are NOAA's adjustments of course not mine as I only show the actual real raw data prior to those post hoc adjustments they chose to make decades later. There is zero proof or supporting data you ever show that any station moves made any difference at all let alone adjustments of up to 3 or more degrees....
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We should do all we can to protect our planet....but we should not encourage delusions and altered realities that somehow man is going to change the future cyclical climate we have always experienced since the dawn of time. We should not encourage or feed such fantasies!
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Now how about we show the real pattern of the NOAA adjustments....wonder why we chill the past and warm the present???
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What's your question? Is the next cooling cycle beginning??? We don't have complete data for this year or decade yet so let's see!!
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As always zero support for the post hoc cooling adjustments for 89 straight years....and now overall warming adjustment to recent years.
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That climate fence around Chester County PA must be really strong......LOL!
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By the way - for more of this kind of actual real non-adjusted climate data for Chester County come visit the #1 website for all things Chester County climate with updated content still in progress over at https://chescowx.com/ Hopefully it will help allay the climate fear running rampant on this site. Enjoy!
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Check the above slow moving catastrophic warming here in Chester County PA during our current warming cycle.....so scary!!
