Figured I'd start the thread. While the Winter Solstice is still 4 weeks away, met winter starts in a week. Its been quiet since many of us saw out first snow and taste of winter November 9-10, but now wintry potential is showing up in multiple extended forecasts. So it's time!
Nearly all of that 2000 snow fell on December 30 though.
For the record @MJO812 im certainly not saying it doesn't snow in NYC in nina decembers. Just that it's snowier than normal further north. NYC can often be on a gradient line. Plus add in the fact that those northern places already average more to begin with, and you can come up with quite a contrast by months end.
Good snowfall pattern stretching from the upper midwest and Great Lakes into new England, with poorer snow chances in the midatlantic and points south is, again, classic Nina December.
The last week of November actually got colder on the weeklies. And has for several days. Though I know youre concentrating on December. I know the Mid-Atlantic may not like it but those weeklies with the cold to the Nw and warmth to the SE would be a great storm track for the Great Lakes.
People post from different regions so different effects are expected. Plus the select group of posters who always/only look for warm will be looking and scouring social media for whatever they need to to mitigate any cold. But overall appears that in typical nina fashion, the already cold north will have colder anomalies and the already warm south warmer ones. In other words big temp gradients, at least at times.
I posted something similar a while ago, but was able to update it with the newest Fall pic. Looking into my backyard. Always feel lucky to have 4 seasons, and it's really neat to see it in a picture form. I didnt have a good spring Pic, had to use one from last May, but now I think I want to do a comparison shot every year.
Not sure if it matters but those were 500mb temps, not surface temps.
That said, November 1950 saw an incredible shift in temps. At Detroit, November 1st saw the all-time November high temp of 81°, to this day the only time 80 has been seen in November...then 7° on November 24th.
In Michigan we get more winter than the east coast and we get it noticeably earlier. I would never be worried about a winter if I wasn't seeing lots of snow on models by the start of December. If anyone SERIOUSLY (and not trolling) is jumping off a ledge on the east coast in mid November...Just wow. Especially when so many have pointed out many good signs.
December is looking good. The cold did not go poof, it just delayed a bit.
As for the cutter going poof. I have a outdoor event Friday so im happy, I did not want rain. But I hope it's not a sign of things to come for winter.
It was not record breaking here, however the 2.2" snowfall on November 9th was much earlier than avg (avg first measurable snow is Nov 17th and avg first 1"+ snowfall is Nov 30th) and the high temp of 31F on November 10th missed the record low max by 3F.
Right around this time in 2019, record early heavy snow AND cold were occurring here.
Although it doesnt directly apply to the Great Lakes, I read your outlook and you did a fantastic job. You explained/laid out everything re: your thoughts on winter 2025-26.
I agree to a point. Some of the recent years with unusually wintry novembers followed by unusually tame Decembers was weird. To happen once, no biggie. But it happened multiple times. But then, sometimes you get slammed in January and February and forget about how December was meh. Especially since December is busy with Christmas activities and January and February are boring.
All that said, I'm really hoping for a great December then when January starts we will worry about that. One month at a time.