michsnowfreak

You didn't have bare ground today lol. But I get your point.

Most of our 4.0" this season is lake effect, obviously outside the belts. Other nearby areas have done better. Plenty of days with flakes have made a nice atmosphere in an otherwise zzz pattern, but time to get some synoptic snow in here!

Squally with blowing snow overnight then below zero wind chills this morning. Picked up 1.3" here, 4.0" on the season. DTW had 1.2", so 3.7" on the season. Some areas (detroits immediate NW burns) got 2-3" overnight.

2013-14 is Columbus' 2nd snowiest winter on record with 56.4". Only 1909-10 saw more. Interestingly, while it was a cold winter there as well, it wasnt nearly as cold relative to normal as up here, ranking only as Columbus 28th coldest on record. I do think you are remembering the storm of Dec 21/22, 2013. Columbus saw temps soar to 69F with 2.17" of rain (a half inch of snow did fall Christmas Eve however). Up here, we had rain and freezing rain, with a bad ice storm JUST to my north. What was interesting about it here, was that we had snow on the ground continuously from Dec 8 - Mar 29, but what had been an 8-inch snowpack whittled away to patches and piles on Dec 23rd and lasted for a few days. While Christmas had frozen patches, piles, and a fresh dusting, it wasnt an official White Christmas (we had T depth). Those few late Dec days centered on Christmas were the only such days we would see any grass until late mid-late March.

Yup. And that's in addition to the bitter cold. The combination of heavy snow with the cold defied climatology.

Hopefully we start getting active like 2007-08.

The very next winter (2014-15) had deep, long lasting snowpack too, but agree that nothing came close to that winter since. In fact...nothing in the entire period of record touches 2013-14 for combo of snow, cold, wind, snow depth.

There are many things that shake up patterns. SSW talk is definitely overrated. Imo the most useful time for a cold/snowlover in the midwest to have a SSW would be mid-late or late winter. It can produce midwinter cold when climo is slowly warming up. But before mid December? Useless. Just stay away from any prolonged torches and roll the dice as we head deeper into winter.

Do you have a link for the weeklies site? I always just use wxbell

96.2" here. Water content in snowpack was over 4" in feb.

The last 10 years have had 4 White Christmases (2016, 2017, 2020, 2022). Since 2000 exactly half the Christmas mornings have been white.

Surprisingly despite a stretch of anemic Decembers, we have been able to keep pace with our 50/50 White Christmas avg.

DT can definitely be a trip, but he is somewhat subjective unlike coldmisers like JB or some of the warmistas you'll see on the main weather forum of this board that forecast with nothing but their biases. Ive said it many times before and will say many times again...we will have harsh winters again, but we will never have another 2013-14. It was a harsh winter for all in the midwest and northeast, but SE MI was basically ground zero.

Yes. Actually, there were a few decent wintry periods in Jan, Feb, & early Mar 2016. Nothing great, but better than some other super ninos. But Dec 2015 was absolute torch. Nov was warm too, tho we did luck into a snowstorm locally.

Two totally different winters tho. 14-15 was overall a harsh winter, 15-16 mild.

Believe me....I'd love to be wrong. But 2013-14 was a once in a lifetime winter.

We did hit avg in 2020. But without a doubt Dec has been the month of the snow season that's been lagging it's avg over any other month.

In 2014 & 2015 it got so cold many people had frost on the inside of their window sill edges. In 2019 I remember the trees creaking like old doors and I did the toss boiling water in the air thing and saw it turn to steam. That kind of cold is interesting but definitely dangerous.

I don't disagree. Nor do I need -30° temp departures in Michigan in January lol. I'm a snowlover so anything around average is fine. We saw that kind of cold in 2014, 2015, and 2019. Fortunately each time we had good snowpack in place, but during the infamous arctic outbreaks of 1899 & 1934 we only had a half inch to 1 inch of snow on the ground while deep snow was in place at much further south locales.

I still don't think bamwx was meaning that map to verify literally.

A lot of model signals are showing a colder than avg Jan. I'm liking the looks of that month...but we aren't repeating 2013-14 lol

True. Although in mid January too much cold can cause suppression, unless you get a great clipper pattern. Regardless I'm liking the looks for here (and don't think it looks bad in the east either).

I was looking at this, looks different than yours.

Yes, and they really get cold week 6. Usually you dont see such strong departures (warm or cold) in the later weeks from the main weeklies (the control run is another story).

Feb 1, 2015 comes to mind as a widespread storm with totals well over a foot, but several others do as well.