michsnowfreak

Meh that one's not a great match either. Had a cold Fall and a torch January. Looking into other nina winters, i saw dome similarities to maybe a hybrid 1970-71/1971-72. But of course even then it's just similarities.

It's wild to even think there were similarities between the winter of 2013-14 & 2024-25. I understand it's never a 1:1 comparison but the two were not even close. The winter of 2013-14 was the most severe winter on record for Detroit, the snowiest (94.9"), by far the longest lasting deep snowpack, and the 8th coldest DJF and 4th coldest Nov-Mar on record. Not only was the cold constant from Nov-Apr, but it was EXTREMELY active, with a constant parade of storms. Meanwhile 2024-25 was mild Nov-Dec, cold Jan-Feb, and mild Mar. Snowfall sits at a below avg 26.9" to date and though we did have a snowcovered Jan/Feb, due to more bare than avg in Dec, we are sitting near normal for snowcover days to date. Again, I understand the comparisons will never be 1:1, but if similar patterns can yield such wildly different outcomes, then no matter how slam dunk a pattern may be, anyone in a northern climate should take everything with an extreme grain of salt. Ie: a crap winter won't necessarily yield a crap one this time, nor will a good winter pattern yield a good one.

Redwood Falls, MN 4pm yesterday: 75° 9am today: 25°, moderate snow & wind

Just noticed there was a 2025-26 thread. Looking forward to some good discussion as the year rolls along.

I know. Fizz and I were referring to the direction the posts in this thread have gone lol.

Yeah it definitely turned into another cc thread lol. No reason to shut it down, its already getting much fewer posts as winter nears its end. But definitely will want a 2025-26 thread to start in a few months. I do think each winter should have its own thread.

Wow nothing here. What kind of tree is that?

Small area of western MN has a blizzard warning, only says 2-5" of snow (wind the issue) but point for today is 76F.

Classic spring stuff. Late march and April snowstorms are lots of fun and for the Debbie downers it should be a given that they do not last long.

Im not singling out any one person. And I agree that is a good statement: "everything that exists..is happening in a realm of cc". But IMO some take everything an extra step or really grasp at straws. I have no doubt that if it was a cold, snowy winter we would hear a number of reasons why this was cc (after all, we heard that a short decade ago lol). I always feel I need to reiterate (tho I shouldnt have to), i have no problem discussing cc because where I live the true effects are relatively minimal. I get 4 distinct seasons, some winters are harsher than others and it can still snow from Oct-May. I suspect many new englanders feel the same. The best stretch of winters my areas have seen in recorded history were well in the cc era, and the shittiest stretch well before that era. Weather always tended to go in cycles well before cc altered patterns. So its just another piece to the puzzle and in just 4-5 months people will already begin trying to piece together guesses for winter 2025-26. As for your analogy...It is true that a person submerged under water cannot claim a moment of dryness. But how weird would a report of this person submerged be if it completely focused around how they got under water rather than the fact they were under water.

I think brooklynwx's comment was tongue in cheek, not to be taken literally. Almost like a nod to the fact that its kind of silly to attribute EVERYTHING to CC as some do. This winter saw below avg snow in many areas that will likely see their snowfall averages stay steady or rise if their mean winter temp continues to slowly rise. Every winters pattern is different. I imagine the entire flavor of this thread would be focusing on different things had the winter been warm as most predicted.

Yesterday DTW hit 65. This was the first 60F since November 19th, nearly 4 months, and the warmest temp since November 6th. The grass is still brown but the only old dirty snowpiles you will find are in some parking lots.

Agree. This winters pattern was NOTHING like the past several. If we want to play the "lets see how we can tie this into CC" game, I can tell you that this winters sensible weather was as anti-CC trends as you can get in Detroit/southeast MI. Steady & sustained cold, frequent snowfall, no big storm, plentiful snowcover days despite underwhelming snowfall totals....thats a winter that, while never common, had been practically extinct. I have exactly zero doubt that a milder winter pattern wouldve served us some bigger winter storms.

Yes. GRR is ridiculous with that. Chance of a snow squall that may drop more than a dusting? Advisory. 6"+ snowstorm that may not quite reach 8"+, let's do another Advisory

Your winter was actually warm with palm trees, so id agree that Chicagos winter was better than yours. However, our winter in SE MI was snow on the ground nearly all of Jan/Feb while Chicago only had a few weeks of snowcover. It's absolutely ridiculous to say the two were "equal".

I remember those days. And the excitement of seeing the BIG snowflake icon on TWC instead of just the little snowflake.

The 0.2" brings my season to date to 27.9". DTW also had 0.2", season to date 26.9". No snow fell from Detroit city north. Meanwhile Ann Arbor saw 0.6" and Toledo 1.8". A chilly 23° this morning ahead of the coming weeks warmth.

Wow that's crazy. We had a warning but it dropped advisory level snow. I can remember multiple storms in recent years that were advisory but should have been warning. I don't really worry too much about what the NWS decides to issue, I just look at the results lol.

You obviously missed the entire point of my post. And you may want to look up the definition of "equal". Detroits winter has been nothing to write home about, but it's been far better than Chicagos. We've literally had double the amount of snowfall and snowcover they have. The fact that Chicago is looking at top 5 snow futility in a cold winter is very surprising.

Got 0.2" of snow this evening on the northern fringe of the heavier snow band in northern Ohio. It's slippery and crazy sparkly. It would be incredible if it was on top of a snowpack.

Some light snow here, but heavy snow down in Toledo.

It was just a general comment. In years past, there have been a few (certainly not all) who act like it's a competition between Detroit and Chicago and lose their mind when Chicago gets a better storm than Detroit, no matter how many storms Detroit has beat Chicago in. I know you know the repetitive discussions, so I'm not going to rehash them. And yes, this is the 2nd straight winter without a 6"+ storm and it pisses me off. It also makes it even more ridiculous to look at the complaining we saw in winters past when we were still getting a few good warning snowstorms every winter. I enjoyed the cold and snowcover this winter, but not having a 6"+ storm again sucked, even tho depth got to 7". I'm a snowcover guy and I don't need a 2 ft storm to be happy, but there's definitely a weather void when the season goes by without one 6" storm.

Light snow falling here but just wetting the ground.

Next year or whenever Chicago gets the better end of a snowstorm than Detroit, I dont want to hear from my fellow Detroit peeps how its not fair lol. (of course, ill be rooting for my own backyard, im just talking if it happens). The peak snow depth this winter at Chicago was 3", which ties several other winters (2022-23, 2019-20, 1970-71, 1941-42, & 1924-25). The only winters with a lower peak depth were 1936-37 & 1921-22 when the peak depth was just 2". The maximum calendar day snowfall this winter at Chicago was 2.9". The only seasons with a lower high snowfall were 1921-22 (1.3"), 1920-21 (1.8"), 1901-02 (2.6"), & 1936-37 (2.7"). Two other years (1965-66 & 1967-68) tied the 2.9".

literally didnt even catch that