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I have it on screen but it wouldnt feel right to steal his "thunder".

@Itstrainingtime was asking for a snow map . Someone go ahead. I already looked

this has northern pa as well as some tug hill locals on it. Tug looks pretty stout with a general 8-16", but for any that have been there, can attest that sometimes that can be a 0 or you can double amounts in any location. Just depends on where the firehose of snow sets up. Enjoy http://www.swedenhillsnocam.com/ https://www.northernchateau.com/w/centermenu.html Heres one I just found for Buffalo on the web. https://www.nittec.org/cameras/

man oh man. Looks like i need to start watchin my Tug Snow cams as well.

what the 0z giveth....the 6z took away...snow wise. That storm has been showing up for quite some time, so I'd think we'd all agree something is likely in that timeframe. When 0z has 540's over my house, to 6z in southern Michigan...I'd say the window is open a plenty for this one. Buckle up boys n girls. edit: i shoulda looked a the Ens runs, and they say window wide open, as there is little continuity for that Black Friday storm, and they show no cutoff low on the 500's, and have a more progressive look.

moving on from the lolfest above... GFS trying to go from flop to flip and gets critical thickness now to PA border for next Friday, but dont take my word for it....toggle back through the maps. takeaway is that post turk day is looking moist for many....just not sure if that moist can be frozen. Nooners say maybe for northers, and as its sub 240, who knows....500 maps within GFS suite are varied, and if the GEFS is right....that may be something to chat up.

My maps were inside 18 hrs from go time....not 48hrs....but ok. I'll play along. Since you are cherrypicking to try to discredit me...or new to this....let me help you....there are always subtle shifts within any model where razor thin margins of error make a big difference. EVERYONE here knows that....including you. Nice try though. I've no problem going out on a limb or worried about being wrong.....but my scorecard doesnt look too bad. Surely not perfect like yours...lol

hmmmm. Middletown was always on razors edge no matter what model. Pictures are worth a 1000 words tho. Nice job all around GFS.

are you one of them jacket n shorts when its really cold kinda dudes? I know one one of them. He must be half woolly mammoth/Neanderthal?? He makes me laugh when I see him....then he laughs back while I look like the michelin man in layers of clothing.

It would be awesome to watch a game in the snow. I think of the Army/Navy game and the Eagles a few years back. Not usually exciting games...but entertaining nonetheless.

WSW flow off the lakes sure puts Buff and Tug in the sno globe crosshairs for the next few days. As I suggested yesterday, the next shot at LES for our crew comes in late weekend w/ reinforcing shot of cold. We then moderate through Turk Day in hopes that the cold that is trying to get its act together decides if it can get here in time w/ that storm thats been showing up in the south, or if like often, its late to the party and sweeps in to freeze the rain puddles. Big swings being shown in extended, so bust potential is surely there. Seeing snow pics from many. Congrats on your early victories. NAM was a tad off on this one, but betting on the "hot" hand usually seems to work here. As like last year...GFS continues to gain my favor. Duly noted.

We've had a bit of everything here in Northern Lanco right around 5pm, but now all rain. Congrats to those that are getting first snowfalls.

drizzle in Etown. Hoping for the heavier batch to change that for us in a little while....even if only for a little while.

http://paccsa.org/sites/default/files/webcamlr/netcam.jpg

is that in line w/ earlier runs, or a smidge better or worse? I never looked at it (hangover from last year I guess).

Looking good bud. Enjoy. Now drizzle here in Etown, but I had pingers for a bit, and that was enough to make make me smile.

Pingers in etown..... and maybe one flake mixed in..... and that is a bonus for me, as I didnt think lower levels would support it, so a win for the column cooler argument.

so by stuff.... do you mean white stuff... or wet stuff..... Inquiring minds wanna know.

yeah thats why i deemed it post worthy. Not too often we see lows that low in early Dec. Like I said, more just for entertainment purposes while folks wait for first flakes.

and if thats not cold enough....this one is just posted purely for entertainment purposes (or for firewood gathering if it holds any merit for you). Looking over last few runs beyond 240 has been nothing short of dizzying...so just keep that in mind.....but wowzers. Early start to ice skating.

Not that many are already looking beyond todays first potential snow for many, but the GFS seems to be holding the upcoming weekends cold look. Lake effect looks likely for Atomix and the normal norther/westers towards the end of the weekend as NW wind cranks w/ another shot of cold coming in. But for the rest of us........BBrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. .

off hour....we toss

Yep it has, but as a short term model, it has to have some weight, and as the GFS known cool bias, if one blends the 2, IMO its a reasonable solution...even if not the solution many want. Flag hoisted though as it is an outlier, so you may be right. As we've never been in the game for this one, I'm just discussing weather on a weatherboard and while I want it to be wrong...as we are getting into the snow season, I (like others) like the NAM and am hoping we can trust it when the show really starts....if ya know what I mean.

850's are marginal w/ that wind direction IMO and will really need dynamic cooling to get it done...me thinks. Mind you the NAM has been warm for this one, so if temp profiles are off a bit, that can make a notable difference in ones backyard and wet vs white.

Somethin to chew on while we wait for game time. Nooner NAM back to lookin a bit more like I thought it would (from yesterday) and says I 80 southers (save laurels/elevation SC/SW) may have issues. Guess we'll find out soon enough.