and to that point, that's sorta why I like the mid/longer range stuff, as your dealing in macro space, not micro (like mby). To me, its a bit more predictable. I, like many, have spent gazillions of hours over the years, searching for snow every 6 hrs, and just like today, small differences in forecasts from 2 days ago, make a big diff in mby. Things have come a long way, but as we've all discussed, the "updates" on some models have fixed certain problems, but have created others, and in the end, not sure how much better off we are. Not looking to argue, as i know many stand in defense of them, but they, like all of us weather weenies....are just a tool.