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Strong PV= Cold spring =good for spring marathons BUT Does not equal "good for the planet" Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

As long as you never turn on the heat, you can generally get the house cool enough that it will stay semi-comfortable without AC except in extended blowtorch patterns. Truth be told-- heat is optional in our area of the country - AC is not (if you still want to be productive). Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

Anyone know what the state all-time record is for October? Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

94/96/97 last 3 days. Looking at 97/98 today but I wouldn't be shocked if we hit 100 either. The previous all-time high for October in Memphis was 95 (set 3 times). Very "impressive" - to say the least. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

100 officially. First 100 here in 4 years (which is amazing in itself) - but on September 16th, no less. I'd put exclamation points on all that but I'm not happy about any of this weather. They are cancelling fall sports events for the youth here due to heat. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

KMEM has just hit 95 before noon, on this, the 16th day of September, 2019.

Personally, I like the cool temps, so bring it! Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

These are things to be happy about! Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

Great illustration of why I have no desire to live in Florida. Nice to visit but a terrible place to live. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

And exactly how would blanket worldwide acceptance of AGW have prevented anything if there were absolutely no dissenting opinions as of say, 1992? The thing about these methane releases is that this was going to happen anyway. Therefore, we can't really blame anyone for it. Stuff happens. People live. People die. People get rich. People with private jets tell me that I am a cancer on the planet. X

Going to be hard on the politicos who just wanted AGW as a means of consolidating transnational political control. Sort of hard to sell a solution when nothing can be done. Sent from my Milestone X

WAFF in Huntsville is reporting 147 in their corner of NW Alabama which doesn't include Birmingham or Tuscaloosa. These are apparently not all official numbers. Considering all factors, I would not rule out some of the larger numbers. I don't think it will happen, but I wouldn't be just utterly shocked if the adding machines got into Katrina-like figures. We're talking about some densely-populated areas that got hit with what amounts to a death sentence.

I'm agreeing with this part. I think the impression a lot of people were given was just wrong. I watched Spann and he did an excellent job and I don't know what else could've been done but I think a lot of the average people were under the impression that they were "supposed to survive" if they only listened and did what they were told. Honestly, everyone on these forums knew better than that before this thing ever left Tuscaloosa. Many people on here correctly said that it would be a miracle if it weakened or dissapated before hitting the Birmingham region. We had all of the indicators....radar signature, live video footage, storm structure, unthinkable g2g velocities....I mean, we all were sitting here and we all knew that this was most likely going to be a major problem for some portion of the Birmingham metro. We watched it strengthen and watched its breadth increased as it approached and all of us knew in our guts that the hall closet was no place to be for this one. I happen to think that people deserve to know what kind of risk they are facing and I think most of them ignored their gut instincts by trying to do the "smart thing" and listened to the experts. I don't feel as if anyone was dishonest or did a bad job or anything but I think the impression a lot of people had was just not in sync with the harrowing reality of the situation at hand. Personally, I think they deserved to know if for no other reason than to say their last goodbyes or make their peace with God. You know, I've heard it around the office today....people look at these pictures today and ask "what is the point of trying to stay in your closet if you're going to be killed no matter what?"

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I must be thinking about a much smaller neighborhood than you're thinking. I'm thinking about a 90 second maximum walk or so but I live in a fairly densely populated area that would be one of those areas that are difficult to flee due to congestion. So, it might be that there would be multiple multi-family shelters just depending upon the size of the neighborhood. My street has 48 homes on it and putting one in the middle commons area underneath the little "park" would make the maximum walk, door-to-door, about 60 seconds. Almost any shelter requires going outside to at least some extent. One shelter for 48 homes is infinitely more cost-effective than 48 individual shelters.

Not cost effective for everyone. It's just not. People spend $5k on a shelter and end up needing the money for medical problems so I don't think it's simply a matter of values. I do think, however, that having a community shelter is a great idea. I think it's a great idea for organizations like HOAs (homeowners associations). It's a lot cheaper to build one big one that everyone in a reasonably-sized neighborhood can get to than building one small one for every family. The cost per family would be fairly inexpensive.

Evacuation might not be the only feasible alternative. I believe there is a feasible and cost-effective solution out there.

From Brent Adair's FB (I'm hoping someone can falsify this statement, please): Just got information from a search team member in Pleasant Grove, AL....well built homes are no where to be found and people died in there basements. Some basements even damaged or "gone". This tornado may do things to the EF scale we never thought imaginable. Currently, my boss is looking for someone in Pleasant Grove...a long-time friend and colleague...who lived in Pleasant Grove and had a basement. No one he has talked to in BHM has heard anything from this person, but, if anyone heres anything that contradicts or verifies this statement, please let us know. Thanks.

Well, I hope you're correct. I'd like to get a decent handle on the survival rate but the 50% was an approximate number I got from a met but that doesn't mean that its necessarily accurate. This is a most important point, though. The survival rate for a violent (EF4+) tornado for people suffering a direct hit and who are sheltering in an interior room on the lowest floor of a standard wood-frame house is really a key point. If it's something like 90%+, then you would be correct in saying that sheltering in place is probably the best thing to tell the population in the path to do. However, if it's more like 60% or less, there is probably something viable that could be done for those in the path...because those types of probabilities are unacceptable.

From some non-internet reports that I've received from people that I know, I think the number is much higher. I have very good information that suggests that the number is at least 220 because of a large number that have yet to make it to confirmed reports and that just happens to be one little area about which I know someone who's in EMA.

Well, I told my boss this afternoon and he got on the phone with one of our largest clients and we got people out of town and I think they are still alive. I told my boss to take a hard look at the live footage pouring in and he looked at it and knew there was very little chance of survival by staying there. We were looking at the live coverage and the radar presentation. He was on the phone and those people were not in the path when it came through and won't be counted in the death toll. I didn't here anyone broadcasting that, though. That's the only advice I was comfortable giving at the time. We were pulling up google maps for navigation. I think that was just the right thing to do today.

I understand what you're saying. I do. I'm not trying to nitpick. I can tell you that I would not be found anywhere near the north side of Birmingham today if I had lived/worked in that area. I would've found a way out. There just has to be something better. I mean, we can pretty well narrow down the potential path of a tornado down to the individual homes with several minutes to go on one of these. Our technology is great. We had the path narrowed down in Birmingham within a few miles with 40 minutes of lead time today. Yet, we're telling people to just sit there? It doesn't seem right and I understand the logistical problems but I think people deserve to know that there is a very good chance if that they will be dead in 20 minutes if they just sit there. I just believe that they deserve a chance to figure out how to get to safety. People are uncanny at surviving. I think lives would've been saved if they just said "get out of this path any way you can." I have no doubt most people would've figured out some way to do just that.

Just telling you that there's not any cultural indifference or anything. Most of the people I know are scared to death when one of these things is close by. Everyone I know finds out where the polygon is when the warning comes out. They all take shelter when it's prudent. It's just the way it is here that we don't have anywhere to go and, in some storms, the only safe thing is attempting to leave. People are pretty smart in this area of the country. They know about hook echos, rotation, etc. We are probably subjected to 20 hours or so of tornado education via wall-to-wall primetime coverage every year via our local news people. Seriously, though, people don't really understand that some of these just kill everyone in their path. I don't know what you exactly do about the situation, but it doesn't feel right to just tell people to "stay put and get in the bathroom" while they're in the path of such a tornado. I don't think that's saving as many people as you can. I don't know what the solution is but there has to be something better than me sitting at a computer and thinking about all those people between Tuscaloosa and Birmingham that are just huddled in a bathroom and awaiting their death. It doesn't seem right to me. That thing was a monster and we're going to let people just sit in front of it when we have a very good idea of where it's going and it is very apparent that we have a long-track on our hands. There are a lot of people who did what they were told and waited on it to hit them and now they're dead. I don't know how to work the solution just yet, but it's food for thought.