PhiEaglesfan712

90 degree days are just about done for the year (unless we get something like 10/2/2019). For the second straight year, comfortable conditions and a lack of heat will dominate the US Open in Flushing:

The difference between those years and this year is that in those years, the signs were there early on for an active hurricane season. This year is skewed by one storm, almost like Andrew in 1992. 2005 was a record-breaking season from start to finish. Still holds the record for highest ACE, most hurricanes, most major hurricanes, most category 5 hurricanes, and latest storm on record. The records that 2005 has since lost is most named storms (to 2020) and earliest category 5 hurricane (to 2024). There is nothing showing there will be an active hurricane season this year. If anything, it looks more like 1992 (with the active Pacific) than 2005, 2020, or even 2024. We won't get 75-82 ACE after October. I can almost assure you that. 75-82 ACE might be the whole season total (1992's total was ~76 ACE, and that was with Andrew skewing the numbers).

There were warm winters before 2011-12, but they were fewer and further between. Like if one happened, the pendulum would have almost certainly swung the other way the following year. But after 11-12, it's been warm winter after warm winter after warm winter (with the obvious exceptions of 13-14 and 14-15). I wouldn't say 21-22 was decently cold/seasonable. Only one month was (January), but the rest of that winter was well above average temperature. 24-25 was for the first time since at least 17-18 (and you could argue 14-15) colder than average more often than not.

The only one I'd really take is 17-18. That's probably the closest thing to a great winter all-around since 13-14 and 14-15. I know we had the record warm February, but that was an outlier compared to the other months (December, January, March, and April), which were all below average. 15-16 and 16-17 were high variance winters, especially 15-16, which was dependent on one storm that skewed the entire season. Areas that missed the storm had record low snow totals. The greater frequency of warmer winters. You could start to see it as early as 2011-12. The great seasons of 2013-14 and 2014-15 interrupted the pattern. But after the mid-2010s el nino ended, you can definitely start to see a pattern change.

You have to take a closer look at the seasons. This year looks more like 2007, a year that was (at this point in the season) skewed by one storm (Dean). It would later be skewed by a 2nd storm (Felix) later in August, but after that, from September on, we didn't get much more than a bunch of minor storms. Years like 2012, 2020, and 2021 were further along in the alphabet, and the signs were there for an active season. I'm really surprised the ACE values were that low for those years. I just don't see that this year. It looks more like 1992 (one-storm wonder) or 2007 (two-storm wonder). The next 2-4 weeks will tell us a lot more. If it isn't active, then you need to let it go. The season isn't suddenly going to get active in October and November. As they say, the tiger doesn't change stripes.

If that happens, then any hope for an active Atlantic hurricane season is over. The next 2+ weeks puts us into September, which is the heart of the hurricane season. If it's a snooze fest, then there's a good chance Erin was a one-off (like Andrew in 1992).

But if there's something encouraging about the last 2 years, it's that Baltimore and DC received snow. We didn't see that much from 16-17 to 22-23. Average snowfall 16-17 to 22-23 BWI: 9.1 inches DCA: 6.8 inches Average snowfall 23-24 and 24-25 BWI: 12 inches DCA: 11.5 inches

The GFS showing a Sandy-like storm at the end of the month:

16-17 doesn't really belong on this list. Sure, it technically made 30 inches of snow in NYC (and much of that was due to a mid-March snowstorm), but as you went more south, it was a terrible winter. PHL only got 15 inches of snow, and places like Baltimore and DC only got 3 inches of snow, and had a Top 10 least snowy winter. Plus, all the other winters were near normal temperature (17-18 and 20-21), or well below average. 16-17 was a blow torch. 16-17 is one winter that had a very sharp cutoff, even more so than 07-08.

The GFS showing a Sandy-like storm:

If we get a la nina, we better hope it doesn't torch, or the winter is pretty much toast. I know that one storm is all that's needed to skew the winter, but getting that one storm is tougher in a torch la nina (since the weather generally has a lot less variance during a la nina, I mean what happens in late November and December pretty much sets the tone for the rest of the winter). Just look at the last 3 la nina torch winters: 11-12: BWI snowfall 1.8 in; DCA snowfall 2.0 in 16-17: BWI snowfall 3.0 in; DCA snowfall 3.4 in 22-23: BWI snowfall 0.2 in; DCA snowfall 0.4 in

You finally admitted that there is no drought! My area hasn't been in a drought since about March 5.

All you need to know is that 1950-51 destroys the whole theory. 1950 was the 5th highest ACE season (8th on NOAA, 2nd on Wunderground - behind the historic 2005 season: https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/articles/most-active-hurricane-seasons), and that season only produced 4.6 inches of snow at PHL.

Yes, but most places in the mid-Atlantic/northeast should have followed a similar pattern (especially with temperature).

Highest Atlantic Hurricane ACE seasons (2016 and before uses NOAA and Wunderground data, 2017 and later uses NOAA data only): 1 2005 247.65 (winter of 2005-06: cold December, very warm January, near normal temps in February, but a large snowfall on the 11th) 2 1933 235.785 (winter of 1933-34: backloaded winter, snowy February and March, coldest February on record) 3 1893 231.0738 (winter of 1893-94: near normal temps, near normal snowfall, with the bulk in February) 4 1995 227.5513 (winter of 1995-96: wall-to-wall cold and snow, most famous for the Blizzard on January 7) 5 1950 227.1413 (winter of 1950-51: very low snow winter, near normal temps) 6 2004 226.94 (winter of 2004-05: slightly above average snowfall, with notable snowstorm on January 22nd, near normal temps) 7 1926 225.7788 (winter of 1926-27: near normal temps, below average snowfall) 8 2017 224.8775 (winter of 2017-18: slightly above average snowfall, due to snowiest March on record with slightly above average temps due to a near record warm February) 9 1961 196.95 (winter of 1961-62: backloaded winter, snowy February and March, below average temps) 10 1998 181.8838 (winter of 1998-99: above average temps, below average snowfall) 11 2020 180.3725 (winter of 2020-21: slightly above average temps, near normal snowfall, with th bulk in February) 12 1955 178.585 (winter of 1955-56: below average temps due to cold December, near normal snowfall, with March snowstorm)

Yeah, don't forget after Andrew in 1992, we didn't get another major hurricane the rest of the way. We may get some more storms, some may even be a C1 or C2, but the odds are that we aren't going to get a storm of Erin's strength the rest of the way.

We got some good rains in May and July. There shouldn't be a drought anywhere near this area.

Not really, the MEI peaked at -1.14 in the offseason of 2012-13 and 2013-14. It does seem pretty odd, though, since the RONI and ONI both were in the -0.4 range during that time, and neither season produced a la nina on the MEI.

My drought's been over since March 5. As has been for the last 5 months, I was right again, and drought guy was wrong.

No, thank you. My area is fine, and hasn't been in a drought since about March 5. (I told you after the Eagles Parade, when I saw mud, that the drought was almost over. Lo and behold, three weeks later, we got the rain event that was the beginning of the end of the drought.) I don't want a hurricane. I'd be okay with some T-storm events (like 7/31, and that wasn't long ago), but a hurricane would be overboard, and probably put my area in a flooding situation.

The variance should be less than last year. We won't have a clear la nina in 3.4, and a clear el nino in 1+2. 2024-25 was one of the most unconventional ENSO seasons ever. I think we will have a much more conventional ENSO neutral across the board in 2025-26, akin to 2013-14.

I'm glad to inform you that the drought in my area ended around March 5. Although August has been dry, my area has experienced above precipitation for the previous 5 months (March-July).

Yeah, that one had a very sharp cutoff (like most of the storms that winter). I had to be more north/east for this. 16-17 was almost like 07-08. Yeah, there were some places north that had a good snow season, but south of a certain point, it absolutely sucked. The snowstorm in mid-March made the season toals respectable, otherwise it would have finished right around the 07-08 total.

Uh, the blizzard was in mid-March, not in February. That month of February 2017 was a torch, and there was very little snow, let alone a blizzard, lol. And even then, the 3/14/17 snowstorm was more of a thing NYC and north, places south of Philly got next to nothing.