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Yes, but this strategy is completely contingent on a successful vaccine being developed in the very near future. One of which has never been created for after decades of research with various coronaviruses. The end result is virtually inevitable, just delaying it with shutdowns. Sweden realized this and went that route. The goal is obviously mitigation, containment, and treatment to help our hospitals not get overrun. We should only be shutting down if there is fear that our hospitals ICUs get full.

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California shutting down again.

Or those other countries just delayed the inevitable. See Texas, Arizona, Florida, etc..

A good case study is Sweden. They remained completely open this entire time and although they have more deaths then most of the EU per capita they are decreasing in cases. https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-07-07/swedens-daily-tally-of-new-covid-19-cases-falls-to-lowest-since-may Health Agency data showed 14 new COVID-19 deaths were recorded on Tuesday, bringing the total to 5,447, more than half of which have occurred at nursing homes and among the elderly receiving home care services.

A good case study is Sweden. They remained completely open this entire time and although they have more deaths then most of the EU per capita they are decreasing in cases. https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-07-07/swedens-daily-tally-of-new-covid-19-cases-falls-to-lowest-since-may The death toll relative to the size of the population has been many times higher than those of its Nordic neighbours, where authorities took a stricter approach, but lower than in some countries that locked down, such as Britain and Italy. Health Agency data showed 14 new COVID-19 deaths were recorded on Tuesday, bringing the total to 5,447, more than half of which have occurred at nursing homes and among the elderly receiving home care services.

1000% agree. I got laid off awhile ago and as soon as my cobra ran out I got a sprained ankle playing hockey and my wife had to have emergency kidney stone surgery in the same week. It set me back quite a bit.

So what you're telling me is life is never going to be the same?

It's not just old and fat people getting this. Lots of younger people are getting infected by this virus. But 95%+ of the deaths are from old people and those with pre-existing conditions. Very few healthy people die from this. And yes I know there are examples of this, but they are few compared to the general sample size.

No one even talks about health insurance. You don't get health insurance while on UI. You have to pay for Cobra and its extremely expensive. Luckily I get health insurance through my employer instead of my wife or we'd be screwed. What happens when someone gets another serious illness or car accident while on UI with no health insurance? They go bankrupt essentially.

You contradict yourself. You want people to stay home and prevent the spread, but also go to work and be in contact with people?

I’d much rather get the virus then lose my house. Unless the government wants to pay me quite a bit of money to stay home, I’m going to go about my life. I refuse to live in fear. If people are scared, stay home. Each person should have an individual choice. Of course I’ll also do what I can to social distance when I’m out and about.

We should have targeted the high risk population (60+) with delivered groceries, a monthly income, and help from their local governments for anything that may need while we develop a vaccine. The rest of us should be practicing personal social distancing and the other protocols in place to help prevent spread to the less at risk population. We may never get a successful vaccine, so we simply cannot shut down forever.

I sort of agree with Jonger. We should not live in fear. Personally I've had 5 friends die in the last 2 years from absolutely random causes under the age of 50. Driving is one of the most dangerous aspects of life. Should we all stay at home and not drive anymore? It's really not needed anymore. We can all work from home, teach from home, order from home. Why don't we all stay home to reduce possible deaths? We could reduce more deaths from reducing the fatality in traffic accidents then we could with Covid. Heart disease: 647,457 Cancer: 599,108 Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936 Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201 Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383 Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404 Diabetes: 83,564 Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633 Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173

Looks like herd immunity isn't an option... https://www.vox.com/2020/7/12/21321653/getting-covid-19-twice-reinfection-antibody-herd-immunity

It's a really tough situation and most people who are in favor of lockdowns have stable jobs as essential employees. For me it's tough I work in financial services and we have been open entire time but my wife has been shut down since mid march and her benefits run out in 2 weeks. We will be okay for a little bit, but really need to get opened up. She works in foreclosure law and Cuomo is not allowing anyone to pursue foreclosures until at least Aug 19th and that likely gets extended well beyond that...200 person law firm is laid off and most make more at work then on UI. Once that $600 goes away in 2 weeks lots of people are screwed.

Go get tested for the antibodies. I got tested for free last week and was negative. It was a 5 second blood test.

New York lowest levels since mid March when the lockdown started. https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-cuomo-covid-numbers-20200711-twmfyaaxh5f4bm3wtyly2atvom-story.html

Mar-May is still extremely hot down in Florida/Texas. I can see the relevance up here as everyone is outside most of the day around where I live and it's easy to social distance. I think the indoor restaurants is the key to transmitting it quickly as well as large at home parties indoors. I've had a few pool parties but everyone stays outside and we stay under 10 people. It will be interesting to see what happens during fall if cases start to rise in the northern states. Covid+Flu is not going to be fun. We just had a really warm fall/winter, I doubt we we have another one that warm.

From my buddy in San Diego not sick enough to go to a hospital but the symptoms come in waves and kinda scary at times i got swabbed yesterday, the testing is so backed up i might not get confirmed results until late next week i barely slept 4 hours last night im getting these headaches that come in waves and get dizzy the headaches are ****ing brutal They had a party of 30 people on July 4th, started getting symptoms on Thursday.

From my buddy in San Diego. not sick enough to go to a hospital but the symptoms come in waves and kinda scary at times i got swabbed yesterday, the testing is so backed up i might not get confirmed results until late next week i barely slept 4 hours last night im getting these headaches that come in waves and get dizzy the headaches are ****ing brutal They had a party of 30 people on July 4th, started getting symptoms on Thursday.

Anyone know why the south is exploding right now while having low case loads in March-May? Also, we are basically 100% open here besides gyms and movie theaters. Why are New Yorks cases not going up? I think there is some truth to the vast majority of the population being immune to this virus. No one has been social distancing here for the last month. I will say that 80-90% of people wear masks here.

From a PA friend in Los angeles. My buddy in Cali got called in today on his day off due to Covid rising like crazy over there. From a PA in Atlanta "Piedmont Newnan is second on the list and listed as TOTAL diversion. Doesn’t mean we can close our doors, we still treat whatever comes. Don’t come to the ER unless it is an emergency. Expect to be seen in the lobby as there are no beds in house or in the ER. This type of diversion is nothing new, but not something we usually deal with in the middle of the summer. We have been full for weeks now."