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Both you guys offer interesting perspectives. I would tend to agree with the 'refuse to shut down regardless of how many people had Covid' methodology as it's just not deadly enough to do so vs. the huge economic, mental, and social impacts to everyone else in the world . Check this out: 1) China’s zero-Covid policy is so strict that it shut down a key shipping terminal (3rd largest shipping port in the world) after just one case. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/13/chinas-zero-covid-strategy-to-disrupt-shipping-as-ningbo-zhoushan-port-shuts-.html 2) Largest port in South China (arguable the largest container port in the world) partly closed in June due to a few cases. https://us.leman.com/news/largest-port-in-south-china-partly-closed/ Just 2 POST-vaccine era examples of massive disruption of the GLOBAL supply chain due to a SINGLE case in one example and only a few in the other. Seems very unbalanced to me.

That's a hefty difference. I'm siding with the GFS due to the long legs of our blocking and warm pattern. Just a hunch.

Seems like they're gonna win before the rain gets there. Lol.

You're right with good points, NY was front loaded and TX/FL rear. CA has been pretty steady throughout, it seems. It's worth considering, however, that Delta wasn't around in the first & second waves and FL/TX likely wouldn't have had as many cases & deaths with Alpha. It's also likely NY would've been much worse if Delta existed from the start. So it's not really an apples to apples compare. Quick edit: I think the public knows enough about Covid/vaccines/prevention that states like FL & TX that value individual freedom (and subsequent responsibilities & consequences) over control are in the right on this one. I personally don't have a problem with vaccines, masks or social distancing (who the heck wants to get sick with anything?) and choose to love & respect people.

The DP is 65 right now. Really? Usually these late-season warm spells have DPs in the 40s-50s.

Hey, better late than never, I say!

I'm really not trying to slam anyone, it's just that so many smart, intelligent, data-centric people get caught up in the emotion of media & politics (on both sides - I'm guilty as charged). It divisive and saddening.

Here are the Top 10 States ranked by C19 deaths/1M: Pretty much split between red and blue states (Texas is 19th). Here's total C19 deaths, Top 10 states: Again, pretty even split. cnyrider your judgement without data is again unjustified. At some point people have to stop reacting out of emotion and offense (per the media) and be logical, reasonable, and fair.

I just graduated high school, what u talkin bout gramps?

The hospital statement doesn't make sense. It's logic, not paranoia.

Crazy, can't just drive to a Bills game fully vaxxed or tested negative.

Again, if the hospital's statement were more specific, then maybe it could be more digestible. However, they don't tell you what the increased risk is above the baseline % range for getting Covid after the surgery (and that's assuming they actually contract Covid). "For transplant patients who contract COVID-19, the mortality rate ranges from about 20% to more than 30%." The hospital's mortality rate statement is, according to current data I shared earlier, in the same or similar range as the surgery risk for non-Covid contracting patients. Just doesn't make sense. I find ambiguity by professionals in official statements is meant for manipulation.

They don't even say what the increased risk is, above the 'baseline' risk % range. I just pulled the below off the NCBI.gov site. "The mortality rate for related kidney recipients was 43 of 128 (34%). The mortality rate for patients who received a primary graft and at least one retransplant during the study period was 12 of 44 (27%). The mortality rate for diabetic patients was 11 of 22 (50%)." And from upmc.com: "The study found that long-term survival of kidney grafts has increased over time. For example, the five-year survival rate of kidneys from deceased donors increased from 66.2% in 1996–1999 to 78.2% in 2012–2015. Similarly, survival of those from living donors increased from 79.5% to 88.1% in the same period." Sounds like they are just playing ambiguous numbers games as an excuse.

I wonder if the ice loss blips are due to storms shaking things up.

I just read a headline that a hospital is refusing to provide a kidney transplant to an unvaxxed person. Edit: Interesting, but doesn't the patient and donor have to sign waivers already? And what is the 'average' mortality rate of a non-Covid-19 contracted employee? 15% 19%? They never mention that. A Colorado woman with stage 5 renal failure is scrambling to find a new hospital to perform a kidney transplant after a health system in the state denied the transplant due to her and her donor being unvaccinated against the coronavirus. "Here I am, willing to be a direct donor to her. It does not affect any other patient on the transplant list," Jaimee Fougner, Leilani Lutali’s kidney donor, told CBS4. "How can I sit here and allow them to murder my friend when I’ve got a perfectly good kidney and can save her life?" "For transplant patients who contract COVID-19, the mortality rate ranges from about 20% to more than 30%. This shows the extreme risk that COVID-19 poses to transplant recipients after their surgeries," the health system told CBS4.

No, I have not, but this isn't Ebola either. I get the fear, but we've somehow lost some confidence in our body's ability to fight infection and to ward off disease - even post-vaccine. There needs to be balance and level-headedness - even now the CDC is recommending people don't visit family for the Holidays - FULLY vaccinated people. We're suggesting boosters when we should be shipping every single extra dose to poorer countries to prevent another Delta-creating variant outbreak (like India). The CDC are also saying viral loads for Delta are the same in vaxxed vs. unvaxxed, yet they don't explain that viral load is measured in the nose, but the primary areas of replication, shedding, and subsequent transmission of virus are aerosols through the mouth, originating in the oropharynx, throat, and lungs (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2196-x). We should be testing Covid in the aforementioned areas via a throat swab (like strep) or saliva (which is 99% accurate) to get a more comparable idea how much viral load is in both cases. Much of the current fear is unnecessarily generated - and not scientific, in my non-professional opinion.

The judging is in this comment: "There is a huge difference between the unvaccinated Covid patient and all those others: The person who chose not to get Covid vaccine, then got Covid and came to the hospital is putting my life and many others at risk with their decision." ---> It's not much different than the person who 'chooses' to smoke and contribute to an even more deadly SHS global issue that takes, according to WHO, 1.2M lives/year. I'm not certain how to combat SHS globally, but in the meantime we can't be treating unvaxxed people differently than smokers - like Tug's wife was. It's just wrong and unjustified.

2nd hand smoke kills 35,000/yr in the US alone, and has been killing and hurting innocent people for centuries. The World Health Organization estimates that the 1 billion individuals who smoke worldwide contribute to the 880,000 secondhand smoke (SHS)–related deaths among individuals who do not smoke each year. There certainly ARE similarities. Edit: Just found this on the WHO website: Tobacco kills up to half of its users. Tobacco kills more than 8 million people each year. More than 7 million of those deaths are the result of direct tobacco use while around 1.2 million are the result of non-smokers being exposed to second-hand smoke. https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tobacco Let's not be so quick to judge.

My entire family got it about 2 years ago, including my 6 month old (at the time). It was the worst cold I've had in a long time, but he had some minor breathing issues that were thankfully cleared up quickly via a nebulizer. I remember the pediatrician nurse that came in with a cold herself (and no mask - this was pre-Covid) and I basically kicked her out of the room until she put one one and washed her hands. LOL.

Canadian early snow cover certainly makes logical sense to keep artic intrusions cold, but wasn't sure about the logic behind Siberian snow cover.

I seem to recall a potential correlation between October Siberian snowfall/cover and the winters here. Anyone heard of this?

I would expect that for most hospitals...the vax is doing its job. They just, in general aren't overrun - from a beds perspective. The staffing is a different issue.

How is she doing?? Better I hope?

Ah, missed that. Thanks.

I thought they both got vax? Or just Tug? Regardless, I hope she recovers quickly. Praying.