Lightning

I have seen it before. Funny thing is last week we had frost. Not sure why there were no advisory that morning.

Why? Looks like typical October weather here coming up.

Been interesting here as dry air has been killing everything coming across the state for the past 18 hours. Finally it is beginning to rain east of I75/US23 and of course it has shifted just north of MBY . Models are now keeping the heavier stuff just to my south tonight into tomorrow. At this point I am going to be surprise if I can even get a 1/2". Sad after several days of 1-2" QPF model runs. Oh well win some / lose some. I'll take a lose some this time and like it

November 21st, 2015. Incredible storm IMBY. Stayed around until Thanksgiving day when the warmth moved in. December version of Morch occurred with +12F departure. After this things split the Detroit area. MBY and Flint area had above average snowfall each month from January through April 2016 (i.e. only December was below average with snow). While south in the metro Detroit area, it was not so good. Overall it was an extremely warm winter (last winter was cooler). Flint recorded 80F in early November 2015.

Sonny Elliott was a riot and fun. He knew how to make weather very entertaining. Jerry Hodac was also very decent MET here. Ah the memories ... Good times!!

I was very lucky to grow up with Mal Sillars in Detroit. The best TV MET in my opinion in the 70s and 80s. Finally getting cable in the 90 I found WGN with the amazing Tom Skilling. Just Wow. Those 2 where the best TV METs.

Awesome! Great to hear you are getting the needed rains there!! Models keep dropping my QPF expectations here and now the rains won't even start until Friday night now . Okay with me as I can get a couple outside items done before the wet weekend.

I guess we can just change this section to the Lake/Ohio Valley Climate discussion since a couple posters are now flooding each thread with climate change talk.

I totally agree the Great Lakes do influence the temps in these area's. Cloud cover from the spinning low north of the GLs also had a significant impact with the temps last night. I have been in the mid-30s the past couple mornings with clear skies even with >10 MPH winds. This morning temps are low 40s with the cloud cover. It would have likely been in the low/mid 30s if it were clear out as the winds this morning are <5 MPH.

I both loved and hated that storm. I was really hoping to break the futility record only to be squashed by an extremely beautiful cake storm. I think I may even have pictures of it (finding them might be tricky ).

1982-83 was brutal. I remember hating that winter so much as a kid. The brown grass winter!! If I recall correctly a late snow (March or early April) prevented Detroit from breaking the low snowfall record. Not sure but I just remembering not to want to ever remember that winter..

The models are like watching a tennis match from center court. I really do think you will get some decent rains out of this system!!

You missed the point of my post but that's okay. Looking just at MBY then I will say I absolutely hated the warmth of Jan & Feb. I am a skier and the SE MI hills condition were horrid this past winter. I will say though at least they were mostly open as I have seen winters in which the hills around here were closed more than open. MBY did just fine as I ended up with near to slightly AA snowfall. Loved the white Christmas in which is snowed light/moderately all day. Plus many pretty cool events!! Living in SE MI I learned each winter is different from the previous. Averages are just averages with reality being all over the map. I did not realize Detroit area has had 3 well BA snowfall winters in a row. MBY is different as the last time I had what I would call a well BA snowfall winter was 16-17 winter. It might depend on your definition of well BA. As for me it would be >10" below the average.

Nope. Definitely don't live in a swamp. Quite the opposite really.

Just to clarify, I am not disagreeing with falls warming. It is just interesting to see 40s being a measurement being we are nearly the same latitude. MBY we have had 40s or below every month this year (Note: July 31st was coolest 52F in Flint while MBY was 49F (my area is normally cooler than Flint by 2-4F)).

Agree. I don't mind falls being a bit boring. Active winters are much better!! Being a skier, just need temps a tad bit cooler in Jan & Feb than last winter (local condition's were terrible last year).

Did you get any hail out of the storms around your area today? Just wondering. When I viewed the MTU webcams as a storm was hitting them it looked like some hail was happening.

I wouldn't say last winter was crap at all. Brother-in-law near Tahoe had record snows. Sister in Wyoming had near record snows. Nephew in MN had record snows. Friends in Buffalo with record snows. Family on the west side of MI had two of their largest LES events in several years.

Wow that is intense. Last year MBY was in a similar situation (D3 so it was not as bad as you are currently getting with D4). I had the big L right on top of me. What was so frustrating was that D0 / none was just a few miles away (your case is more widespread than what occurred here last summer). Hopefully things change soon for you. I hate droughts!!!

Very true. This event was a bit different as this time even Houghton was getting mostly rain due to the lake being so warm. You had to go south toward Twin Lakes area and they got the snows. Houghton is normally enough inland that it snows there yet can be rain at McLain SP in the early season snows.

I found when I lived up there the late warm waters made a difference when we got early cold blasts in November that could take advantage. One time in the Keweenaw we were getting rain while it was snowing south because the lake was too warm.

Patchy frost will be great!! Haven't had many bugs all summer until about 3 weeks ago the mosquitoes have gone crazy in my area. Solid frost or freeze would be most welcome.

Sounds very intriguing. Please post

NYC/JFK Airport 8.58 in 0351 PM 09/29 Thought I would add a little context