Lightning

Why? 12/5 average highs for DTW are 40F. I think there are a lot of unrealistic expectations for December.

I'll go with Lucky 13

Also wonder if some people realize what they say online is noted by company HRs and peoples social media is reviewed by HR hiring teams. I.e. private groups can be much safer.

Yep. Mostly has to do with Trolls. This site isn't so bad but other internet forums got flooded with overwhelming trolls.

I don't mind cloudy rainy weather. I will admit I really don't care for several days in a row of just dry and solidly cloudy with 30s & 40s but if is stormy like it has been the past few day then it doesn't bother me.

Easy one ... Latter.

About the same here

Fixed

I am more like Josh. I love a good snowfall even if it only lasts a couple hours. I'll take nickel and dime stuff anytime over cold and dry. Heavy rates a fun even if brief

Ditto here!!

Happy Thanksgiving

I spent 4 months (summer) working in Gustavus Alaska at Glacier NP back in the 90s. I asked the locals what the typical winter is like. They said 0 to over 200" of snow and everything in between. Every year is complete different based on the storm track/winds. One of my best summers. Loved it up there

Extremely Sad

Palms that don't need man's intervention to survive multiple MI winters. Agreed!!

whatever dude. That zoom in is ridiculous and you know it. SW MI is not the same as St. Louis and Cincinnati zone.

USDA site says NOPE:

NOPE

Honey Bees do not die off like hornets and wasps. Honey Bees can be active with the warmer temperatures into late fall but not near to the scale of summer as the long cooler nights tend to keep them in their hives. The greatest danger is Dec. - March (this depends on where you live) if we get a prolonged warmth followed by solid cold. If too many bees go out and then die there becomes an increasing chance the hive will not make it. It occasionally happens as I know several bee owners who have lost hives. One of the biggest problems is orchards or farmers that put the hive in the wide open as opposed to at least partial shading. Chances are you are seeing honey bees from hives out in the wide open.

I tend to agree like Nov./Dec. 1989 and Nov./Dec. 2000. What followed was meh!! There are times Nov. into Dec can give hints to teleconnections and such that work out OK but then other times not so much.

When I was at MTU (late 80s and early 90s), The Weather Channel had maps which the Keweenaw was not on there. I have also seen maps with MI part of Canada with some of these "Winter Forecasts" on YouTube.

Nice boomer right now

Heard this has been a problem in recent years with people letting them go in MI.

My neighbors darn Norwegian Maple (100' off the lake we live on) always hangs onto it's leaves until mid-November while my two Norwegian Maples (up the hill a bit away from the lake ~600') lose them the first week of November. Even with the low 20s last week. Same results. I am hoping this weekend we can be done.

Interesting the difference between our areas. Hasn't change over here 1980s through 2023. I would say 70s too but honestly I was under 9 and it wouldn't be sincere to say I remember those years exactly (80s the yard became my full responsibility). I would always need to do the leaves soon after Halloween in the 80s. Put them on a tarp and drag them down to the woods (now a golf course). Soon after on Thanksgiving weekend we would hand the Christmas lights. Pretty much the exact same here nowadays.