Volcanic Winter

The 1810’s are supposed to be the coldest decade of recorded history, after the 1808/9 eruption and Tambora in 1815. The late 1700’s had some incredible cold, too.

Early mid 80’s and 94 also had some volcanic aerosol forcing, FYI. It’s a part of it, but of course not all of it. Otherwise I completely agree, I don’t see how analogues prior to the last twenty years make much sense anymore.

I don’t want to derail but will just acknowledge that this is definitely true, and also a big part of the reason there are so many people who hear about AGW and go, “so what?” Back to the Goofus and Eurine show.

Depressing. Our new normal for the majority of the year is soon to be shorts and swamp ass.

It’s the most upsetting aspect of how our climate is evolving. On balance, I wouldn’t care as much if we get mild patterns if we also continued to have actual winters. But they’re evaporating, fast. If you dig through historical records as I’ve done from a volcanology perspective, it gets extremely depressing how different things are today. 1-200 years is a geologic nanosecond and our climate is now vastly different, in the blink of an eye. How that doesn’t absolutely terrify every living soul on this planet BAFFLES me. This kind of rapid change is unprecedented outside of acute global events like bolide impacts. Even the flood basalt eruptions that cooked the planet to end the Permian took thousands of years.

I see a glass half full of vodka.

How do I order the E24? Is there like a number I can call?

Yeah, it just needs to happen though. I told my wife for this Xmas to either plan for 30+ inches of snow or we're having a Hawaiian Xmas luau. I think our bases are covered.

That’s MJO right? Nah honestly his enthusiasm is keeping my positive, hopeful vibe in place and amplified. Had to vent some general disappointment but I’m ready to rock the end of this month. I want to be outside in my boxers making snow angels on my front lawn by Xmas. Edit: And I will accept nothing less. No pressure, just gimme some damn snow.

True of course, but we can all do reasonably well together with the right storm in the right air. If 1/29/22 built back a bit further inland, it would’ve been epic for everyone not just NE. Still got 16 inches here and it was the best storm for me in a while, 22F early AM with perfect powder. Beautiful.

And of course Dec is not climatologically ideal for most of our area until the very end, with some exceptions; but I think the hope this year was for an ‘anomalously’ cooler and snowier Dec based on the modeling toward the end of Nov, not that it’s something to ever expect. Believe me I know Dec usually sucks for us, I’m very adjusted to Hawaiian themed Xmas parties.

Nah, I get it. This sucks. The surge of AGW the past 20 years has turned our winters into a literal slot machine that either only eats your money or hits the jackpot with little middle ground, with the rare exception of a few winters with multiple jackpots. It feels very all or nothing anymore, and that was true for me before I signed up here. The thing that’s most frustrating, and of course this could just be bias, it always seems like when the models show favorability it doesn’t materalize, but when they show an unfavorable set up - lock it in and cash the check. It’s very frustrating.

Difference between coastal and “immediate coast.” I live about 10-15 miles inland from the ocean down here in NJ, but I currently have 26 on my Tempest relative to the ~40 it looks like the immediate shoreline has. Doesn’t help if the storm track is far inland only, but I do well often when the immediate coast is rain. It does seem to make a difference.

Wow, it’s 28 here on my Tempest down in my part of Toms River. Feels proper wintry, except it’s going to be a warm, wet mess all week.

If it is I’m coming to Brooklyn and buying you a round.

Spectacular footage of a co-ignimbrite plume at Semeru volcano today, after a relatively large eruptive event: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jNKG4AnzPY Now if we could get one that’s about 50x larger and up another 8-10km into the atmosphere (this topped out at 15km), we may have ourselves a winter yet boys!

Isn’t that just a resolution issue though? Because back then, they didn’t have the tools to observe the mechanism behind those patterns the way we do today. And I think there are plenty of examples of seasons that go back and forth, like last winter where January was a stark reversal from December.

Life is most definitely too short. While frugality has its place, I think enjoying some basics (like yaknow, heat) with your hard earned money is pretty reasonable. Mine’s on usually around 45. Thermostat usually in the mid 60’s until January ish, but our bedroom usually runs below thermostat temp. We have a nice down blanket in bed and snuggling for warmth is more fun anyway.

Your optimism is infectious.

Yep, was the same in the NYC thread. Suddenly we’re talking about Boxing Day Bowling Balls and getting high on the supply. Very guilty here. I’m sure you guys will do better than us regardless of how this evolves, but I’m really hoping the favorable progression toward the end of the month holds.

How does this compare pattern wise to last Dec? Was brutal, I remember, but don’t remember the individual components aside from the strong -PNA. I do recall last Dec was when I seriously started talking to my wife about moving north, lol. But then Jan was more than good relative to the outlook at the time. I believe flow was very progressive and we never had much blocking, so with the intense block coming up and hopefully less flexed -PNA by default we have more potential? Is that an adequate read?

Man, couple years with highest max in the low 40’s and even one that looks like 38? Strictly in climatological terms I was born too late, I should’ve been born before Krakatoa went kaboom. Edit: Just realized that’s only the first week of Dec, originally thought it was the entire month.

Perfect, EasternLI! I’m going to hold you personally responsible if this doesn’t pan out. Can I get your name, number, serial number…

I’m definitely aware of that, I just find this sort of stark differential fascinating and have a personal love of cold weather in general. My concern is more the apparent permanence of the SE ridge anymore. It’s a voracious apex predator these days.