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Old Crappy Coatesville Snowfall Records!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
So what you're saying is that you're the reincarnation or relative of this Gordon?! LOL I understand that farther inland and higher elevation typically get bigger totals, but I'm talking about a specific time period and specific storms where the disparity is monumental, much more than the data you are citing. And you haven't yet addressed any of these 4 specific amounts yet. -
Old Crappy Coatesville Snowfall Records!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
I don't see your data in Climatological Data, is it published somewhere? And it's about 38 miles. And Phila had 51.5, much closer to you in amount and distance -
Old Crappy Coatesville Snowfall Records!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
And the Dec. 1909 storm totals were remarkably uniform from Phila and Reading (21"), LV 20 to 24, and central NJ, 21". The banding could never have always set up right over this guy's station -- I'm sorry, it's just not possible -
Old Crappy Coatesville Snowfall Records!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
Ok I look forward to seeing them. And I didn't mean to insult him -- just his snow-measuring abilities! -
Old Crappy Coatesville Snowfall Records!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
Bozo was referring to this observer not Mr. Chesco -
Old Crappy Coatesville Snowfall Records!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
Thats true what's your ponit, wasn't this goofball dead by then?!! And you guys had lightning that caused house fires -- so localized convection -
Old Crappy Coatesville Snowfall Records!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
Have you looked up any of these storms in local newspapers? - they usually mention totals. And you're talking places far away, I'm talking about the nearest stations to this bozo!! -
Old Crappy Coatesville Snowfall Records!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
Its published station elevation is 380' -
Old Crappy Coatesville Snowfall Records!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
Yeah those are nowhere near 70"! -
Old Crappy Coatesville Snowfall Records!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
And BTW the Morgantown 50" total was backed up by a 49" total at Devault, also measured by the Turnpike -
Old Crappy Coatesville Snowfall Records!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
I have a very good answer for March 1958: since it did occur right at the equinox with a high sun angle, elevation played a critical role as you alluded to in the difference between Coatesville and West Chester. And Morgantown is the highest around there at 595'. So April 1894 storm would be even more elevation and inland dependent than March 1958: And Coatesville that is 75' lower than West Chester got 21" more in April 1894!!! And the other ones, Jan 1905, Feb 1899 and Dec 1909, occurred in winter when elevation plays a minimal role. You are right about there being big totals from April 1894 inland at Harrisburg, 18" and Lebanon, 25" but nowhere near Coatesville. If you really want to clear this up, go to your local library and pull up local newspapers that corroborate him. -
Old Crappy Coatesville Snowfall Records!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
I have a very good answer for March 1958: since it did occur right at the equinox with a high sun angle, elevation played a critical role as you alluded to in the difference between Coatesville and West Chester. And Morgantown is the highest around there at 595'. So April 1894 storm would be even more elevation and inland dependent than March 1958: And Coatesville that is 75' lower than West Chester got 21" more in April 1894!!! And the other ones, Jan 1905, Feb 1899 and Dec 1909, occurred in winter when elevation plays a minimal role. You are right about there being big totals from April 1894 inland at Harrisburg, 18" and Lebanon, 25" but nowhere near Coatesville. If you really want to clear this up, go to your local library and pull up local newspapers that corroborate him. -
Old Crappy Coatesville Snowfall Records!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
Kennett square is 11 miles away and West Chester is 12 miles away! How could this guy ALWAYS record such high values -- 20" difference over these distances?? No way. It doesn't take much to see that there is something seriously wrong here. Elevations about the same: Coatesville 380', KS: 275', WC: 455' I've contacted NCEI, hopefully they will get rid of these ridiculous totals -- it's a terrible contamination of the record -
So this is really pissing me off -- bogus snowfall from probably a drunken observer at Coatesville around the turn of the century. Here are his values compared to the 2 closest stations at the time, Kennett Square and West Chester April 10-12, 1894: 29.2" KS - 8.8" and WC - 7.8" Feb. 1899: 69.8" KS -- 46", WC - 38" Jan 25, 1905: 29" KS - 18", WC - 14.3" Dec 25-26, 1909: 38" KS -- 23" and at WC -- 21" Come on!!! Hopefully NCDC will do something about this ridiculousness
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LV Wx Book -- Will you cough up the $$?!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
You didn't know you were going up against a real weather historian, did you, LOL! This drunken observer W.J. Gordon was around for the DEC 1909 too: 38 inches when Kennett Square had 23" and 21" at West Chester??!! Come on!! Your arguments are crumbling. Hopefully NCDC will do something about this ridiculousness -
LV Wx Book -- Will you cough up the $$?!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
West Chester had 32 inches in March 1958 storm and it's 20 miles from Morgantown!! IPS-07E23916-1F10-4274-ADA6-55858A391565.pdf -
LV Wx Book -- Will you cough up the $$?!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
IPS-790AB565-6314-4896-A044-EAC30BAE3F84.pdf -
LV Wx Book -- Will you cough up the $$?!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
Are you referring to "Best Available Record" stamp? that just means this is the most legible copy they have. Have you looked at other stations in the county?? -
LV Wx Book -- Will you cough up the $$?!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
There was no NWS back then!! And no quality control -- just look at all nearby stations. We covered this in one of your posts last year. Feb. 1899 and Jan 1905, and April 1894 storms are way inflated. I'm gonna get back on NCDCs case to review them. BTW your picture is super creepy, LOL! -
LV Wx Book -- Will you cough up the $$?!
LVwxHistorian replied to LVwxHistorian's topic in Philadelphia Region
Sounds good but just don't include all that bogus snowfall data from 1890s and 1900s!! I think that observer was a weenie, inflating figures just to get attention! -
To my Wx book post, -- I need your input, LOL!!
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Complete misprint, or photoshop??!!
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where did you see that?
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Nice -- I had already moved out of the Valley by then
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Mine's gotta be 1989, 3 inches of snow at Allentown the evening before. Go ahead, call me a weenie!