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And sure enough... URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Binghamton NY 226 PM EST Thu Dec 31 2020 NYZ062-PAZ040-048-072-011930- /O.NEW.KBGM.WW.Y.0023.210101T2000Z-210102T1200Z/ Sullivan-Northern Wayne-Pike-Southern Wayne- Including the cities of Monticello, Damascus, Equinunk, Milford, and Honesdale 226 PM EST Thu Dec 31 2020 ...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 3 PM FRIDAY TO 7 AM EST SATURDAY... * WHAT...Mixed precipitation expected. Total snow accumulations of up to one inch and ice accumulations of one tenth to three tenths of an inch. * WHERE...In Pennsylvania, Northern Wayne, Pike and Southern Wayne counties. In New York, Sullivan county. * WHEN...A mix of snow and sleet will develop by early evening New Year`s Day. The precipitation will change to freezing rain in the evening and last into the overnight and early morning of Saturday. The freezing rain will taper off to a few rain showers by sunrise Saturday as temperatures rise above freezing. * IMPACTS...Travel could be nearly impossible. The hazardous conditions could impact the evening commute New Year`s Day.

The SPC map does show the elevations well- but probably overdone anyway as you say. But I still wouldn’t be shocked if some instances of accretions .3-.4 happen above 1500’.

Gotta wade through the mud to find the goldmine. Tomorrow’s event will come and go, and Sunday-Monday hinges on a marginal airmass, but I can’t wait to see what happens mid-month. Up here we made it to roughly 1/3 of what we had last year from the 16th/17th (36 inches which was roughly 25-30 below average) and here’s to hoping we can cover our totals from last year (if at all possible) by then.

Advisories will probably get issued later on today, and maybe some WSWs for CTP? (Only really because their threshold for WSWs is .25 of ice). Either way Sunday-Monday is of more interest at this point

It stayed rain all night here

The trends on the NAM are a bit surprising but again we can be thankful this doesn’t have much staying power and/or much precipitation to go with it...otherwise problems would certainly begin to arise. I’ll definitely be on the lookout for HREFs tomorrow but figure I’ll stay right where I am with .1-.3 with maybe a high end of .5 in typical elevations where the cold takes longest to clear out. Pretty typical messy little system and to me it never changed from being that.

Is it time to order up a MLK blizzard?

Looks like my guess of .1-.3 of ice for most who do see it still makes sense after some of today’s runs. It’ll be a long gone memory by the end of the day Saturday anyway.

Didn’t areas near Ottawa have to deal with continually falling ZR for up to five days? Regardless this isn’t that by any means, still think .1-.3 is good enough of a guess for areas that do see the ice

That's right, how could I forget? Ha Either way still pretty much nothing more than a nuisance, especially the day after NYE when people are trying to move about and get back home from festivities

Thinking any icing is probably limited to .1-.25 for most but given your location you could see slightly more ice and maybe more frozen overall

As an aside, here’s one facet of this storm I don’t think happens every day: up to 2’ in South Texas of all places. URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Midland/Odessa TX 436 AM CST Wed Dec 30 2020 ...SIGNIFICANT WINTER STORM TAKING AIM ON THE REGION...RESULTING IN ACCUMULATING SNOW THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH THURSDAY FOR MOST OF THE REGION...PARTICULARLY LOCATIONS ALONG AND SOUTH OF I-20... TXZ046>048-050>053-060>063-067>070-075-082-274>282-302300- /O.UPG.KMAF.WS.A.0005.201230T1800Z-210101T0600Z/ /O.NEW.KMAF.WS.W.0004.201230T1800Z-210101T0600Z/ Dawson-Borden-Scurry-Andrews-Martin-Howard-Mitchell-Winkler-Ector- Midland-Glasscock-Ward-Crane-Upton-Reagan-Pecos-Terrell- Reeves County Plains-Chinati Mountains-Marfa Plateau- Davis Mountains-Davis Mountains Foothills-Central Brewster County- Chisos Basin-Presidio Valley-Lower Brewster County- Including the cities of Lamesa, Andrews, Stanton, Big Spring, Colorado City, Kermit, Odessa, Midland, Monahans, Crane, McCamey, Rankin, Big Lake, Fort Stockton, Dryden, Sanderson, Pecos, Marfa, Fort Davis, Alpine, Panther Junction, Chisos Basin, Presidio, and Castolon 436 AM CST Wed Dec 30 2020 ...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM NOON TODAY TO MIDNIGHT CST THURSDAY NIGHT... * WHAT...Heavy snow expected. Total snow accumulations of 4 to 7 inches expected across portions of the Permian Basin, Trans Pecos, Culberson county, Big Bend Area, and Presidio Valley. Accumulations 7 to 12 inches expected across the southeastern Permian Basin and along I-10 to the I-10/I-20 Split, and Marfa Plateau. Accumulations 12 to 17 inches expected from the Davis Mountains east across the Stockton Plateau. Locally higher amounts will be possible. * WHERE...Portions of southwest and western Texas. * WHEN...From noon today to midnight CST Thursday night. * IMPACTS...Travel will be very difficult to impossible. Some roads along and south of I-10 will become impassable, possibly including I-10 from the Split to Fort Stockton. The hazardous conditions will impact the morning or evening commute.

If there is any ice it should be manageable, think advisory amounts of maybe .1-.3...we will flip to rain and warm into the 40s Saturday.

Should be interesting. In any case once we warm and flip completely to rain it should only keep warming further from there, my high Saturday is now mid-40s. An issue to probably still sort out is when the flip happens. At my lower elevation in Sullivan, my house could probably stay all rain as it did last 12/29, while areas like MSV become a mess.

That was what I pretty much figured in my post above, looks plenty messy but fairly typical. Right now my P&C has me as rain-sleet mix for most of Friday.

So upon doing the math and knowing QPF isn't always 1:1 in these situations I'd assume .1-.3 with higher elevations going up to .5" of ice @wdrag what would you guess in this case?

84 and north if I had to guess at this time

I would think with your typical paring down with ZR QPF not being 1:1 probably a widespread .1-.3" with higher elevations going up to .5".

any clue on how much icing might be possible in that window?

Blizzard warnings definitely still do exist and get used. Some were used this past January but in the Upper Midwest.

Easily a foot for them.

We're still largely on the course but model wars have commenced for another season

Lesser on Monday the better? count on it.

Regardless of what Kevin thinks that's likely highly implausible to happen...if at 10:1 you're asking for 3" of snow an hour for 12 hours...essentially, one band has to last for half a day. Not likely.

Some from just last winter even...I know there was one from February that had 20+ DC to Boston Edit: strangely very similar to what we're being shown now. hmmm.