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Not necessarily squall line potential but there will be a ton of instability tomorrow in the wake of our deepening coastal storm. The strong late March sun that will likely come out at times esp in the Sus Valley and south central and surface heating vs the cold air aloft will definitely ensure low level instability and numerous pop up rain/snow showers (likely in more cellular fashion). There will also be decent instability at the mid levels too with the very deep closed 500mb low over the NE bringing in a lobe of -35 to -40ªC air over PA tomorrow afternoon/evening at the 500mb level. Should be some feisty showers of whatever tomorrow.. probably more snow in the Laurels/central counties and rain in the Sus Valley. This is the type of setup that graupel is quite possible too along with rumbles of thunder.
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I think there's a chance but it looks to come down to timing of the potential wave vs the press of the cold air boundary. Too quick and its too far north and too late and best precip runs south of the area. 18z GFS looked suggestive of a rain to snow scenario as the cold presses south with the wave moving through our region. That would obviously be a risky scenario this time of the year. Still pretty decent lead time for resolving details with that one.
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The situation 5 miles (and +1200’ elev) away, S+ and accums starting. Down here it’s mainly rain with cat paws/slush drops. Full transition looked to be about 1600-1800’. Looking at all the bright banding on CCX radar essentially down to right over the radar. This thing was about 2 or 3 degrees at the surface-925mb level from being a paste bomb in the AOO-UNV region.
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I kinda hope I get little or nothing precip wise out of this coastal system haha. After months of being so wet and finally starting to dry things out around the yard to where I can actually walk on it now.. I think I'd take high and dry over a rainstorm or a rain/snow mix that amounted to little or nothing in the snow department. I'm pretty much at the point of the season where my weather preferences would be as follows: 1. Big time snow storm 2. Warm and dry 3. Cold and dry 4. Advisory snow that probably lasts a day or less on the ground 5. Rain
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Yea I remember that Euro control run about a week or so ago in particular that detonated that huge storm (this upcoming coastal). That particular model run actually had the third shortwave that drops out of Hudson Bay (which is notable on models in the much nearer term now) and that run phased everything in a manner that gave that 960mb off the Delmarva solution... making it look quite like a triple phase type thing with three shortwaves involved. I actually commented on it back on the 11th (page 54). At the time the other models only had two shortwaves interacting and not the one that came right out of Hudson Bay, making less explosive solutions than that one was. 9 days and a lot of different coastal and non coastal solutions later and we actually have ended up settling on what looks like a decent coastal storm but as has been noted by you guys, via a later and further north phase. With more cold available up front this still could have been salvaged as a nice snowstorm even down into parts of the Mid-Atlantic subforum. You look at thicknesses and 540 line is into the Sus Valley, but that's more a result of the levels above 850mb as the lower levels 850mb and under are going to be cool and pretty isothermal but still too warm. I do think this ended up really close to being something pretty big. The heavy precip band northern MD up into the Sus Valley certainly indicates decent dynamics involved. I'd still watch elevational areas in NE and perhaps some of North Central PA above IPT.
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The NAM seems to be presenting the best scenario for a potential rain to snow ordeal (def elevational) being the furthest west and focusing heavier precip into the central areas that are higher overall. I don't think the setup is necessarily terrible from the standpoint of how the storm develops and tracks but there's just not a lot of surface/low-mid level cold to work with until the rapidly deepening coastal has lifted away. 0z Euro has quite an intense band of QPF thru the Sus Valley into NE PA similar to the NAM (precip only edges central counties though) but low level thermals just aren't there at 925mb and surface and marginal at 850mb. It's hard to do marginal in late March outside of the higher elevations... so I see two potential areas we could see a wet snow threat evolve. The Laurels and higher ridge and valley region in the central third of the state (provided heavier precip set up that far back), or perhaps the more likely area.. the Poconos region of NE PA. The Euro did light up some accums in NE PA.
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There was a lesser known storm March 3-4th, 1999 that did something similar in this area. A deepening low that traversed into VA before exploding and moving from DC over eastern PA into upstate NY. The first half of it was a heavy rainstorm that transitioned to snow in the late evening and I remember being woke up in the middle of the night to howling wind and thundersnow. We then lost power for the rest of the night into most of the morning. Was a 6-8hr period of whiteout conditions. Pretty much the windstorm of a couple weeks ago plus 4-6 inches of snow (Laurel's up into western NY had much more. That's the most vivd example of legitimate blizzard conditions I can ever remember since I was only 7 for the 93 storm. Hard to find stuff on this event, I guess maybe that old easternwx archive that's been shared in here today might have something.
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I'm not responding to getting <2" while the entire Mid-Atl/NE I-95 sees 12-24+ hahaha. If I'm not mistaken, that Euro control run looked like a triple phase. The Euro op was heading for a phase but was missing the vort dropping straight out of the Hudson Bay the control had that just made that thing go bananas on that particular model. All models have the huge ridge out west, although progged a bit east for my liking when talking ideal trough alignment to track a prospective east coast storm that slams C-PA. Still way out in range, I see the rumblings with the occasional model run having a big storm but nothing definitive enough to jump on yet.
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Nearly a month, since Feb 12th. Prior to that I had a run with snow on the ground from Jan 9th til later in the first week of February and about 4-5 days with the November snowstorm. Obviously the high amount of sleet in the numerous mixing events this winter was a factor but it's been a pretty good run with the snowpack retention this winter here. Most of the yard is still covered but both neighboring yards to mine are not.
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Saw NWS Pittsburgh put this on their facebook. It looks relatively accurate for the region with Harrisburg riding just inside that 36-48". There's even a tiny red dot just about where Cashtown is haha. It checks out here as I have 51.2" for the season (right within my average range). I had 54.6" last winter, but it took the 13.5" March 21-22 storm and the 4.7" April 2 storm to bust into the average range. I don't know if we'll have quite the prolific late March/early April stretch we had last year but it should be fresh in our minds that it can happen with the right setup. I personally hope after our potential period (week after this one) that we bust out of it with April rolling in.
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I'd bet on the cooler outcome for this particular system on Sunday. The southern LSV turnpike and south may make a pretty good run into the 50s but other than that I think most of our area runs mid-upper 40s to near 50. Now the next cutter slated for later next week looks like one that will drive some very warm air into the area with no CAD setup out front and a significant southerly flow. 850 temps are progged in the 10-15ºC range for a fairly extended period ahead of that per Euro and GFS. If that gets mixed down that'll def be a warm period.