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Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
If that happens in this unfavorable pattern...take it and run, and don't stop running. -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
Well...I was previously going to mentioned how the Euro and GFS ENS had trended towards showing the potential for a much more favorable pattern coming up after the first week of January (7th)...A continued +AO, though with an NAO trending more neutral to -, along with a deepening -PNA and finally a legit -EPO. However, the Euro ENS have quickly trended back in the opposite direction, and are now back to what they were previously showing...with the same pattern that has been in place continuing... +AO/+NAO/+EPO/-PNA...with a deepening -PNA. The GFS is kind of in the middle regarding things overall. There is also agreement between both the Euro and GFS ENS's on the MJO continuing to chug along, right on through the COD and into phases 4 and 5, which happen to be warmer phases of higher correlation at this time of year. I'd probably put more stock into what the Euro ENS are projecting, given their near stellar performance for a while now. If the Euro ENS are correct with teleconnections, combined with the projected MJO and upcoming movement of the main PV to settle in around Greenland in the future...more of the same pattern we've been in will continue (mild and snow-less overall), though more active overall. If the GFS ENS are correct, it will probably be a somewhat better pattern than we've been in, but still nothing to get too excited about. Probably a bit better cold/snow chances, however. tl;dr... zzzzz for now. -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
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Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
All of the so called “guru’s” have failed this far. Not saying he’s one per say, but will lump him in given he’s almost always talking cold for somewhere. . -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
zzzzz... Edit: Should mention that since my last post last week, the GEFS caved to the EPS in showing fairly close to the same as below. -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
After that 1-2 run change, they reverted back. . -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
As you could probably figure out by the current/upcoming pattern, the Euro ENS were correct in handling/depicting a +EPO...while the GFS ENS failed horribly. The bad news...If ENS have a good handle on things, that upcoming potential pattern change guidance was hinting at to end December and begin January might be in jeopardy. The Euro and GFS ENS are showing a continued +EPO continue right on into early January. On top of that, the Euro ENS also have a +AO/+NAO/neutral PNA set in as well. The GFS ENS are a bit more subdue overall, more similar to what we are seeing now. Also of note, is that some of the GFS and Euro ENS have the MJO moving from the COD on into phase 6 for the late Dec/early Jan time-frame. If that were to happen, combined with the potential teleconnections in projected, and the fact the main PV will be up over the North Pole/Siberia...things *could* get even more torchy/snow-less...and that's saying something given how the past 5 weeks have been. Not saying that will happen... But the projected teleconnections alone should be a concern that an overall mild/snow-less pattern continues into at least early January. -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
The "people" have been wrong so far. So I wouldn't put too much stock into what they say. However on the flip side, it does appear there is support for the potential of a more favorable pattern for cold/snow around or after the New Year. The GFS ENS are more gung-ho on this than the Euro ENS though. -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
Equal chances either way that far out. However, it is sort of interesting at the same time that there is not even a long range fantasy storm heading into January. -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
A lot of valid questions/possibilities. -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
You know it’s bad when the GFS doesn’t even have a fantasy snowstorm the entire run...which extends into the first days of January. Not just for our region, but the whole country pretty much. . -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
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Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
12z GFS was a nice torch for Christmas, and the days prior. -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
What happens with the EPO is really going to shape the upcoming pattern. Euro ENS still want to bring the EPO + for a while, flooding much for the country with mild air for the most part. GFS ENS keep the EPO -, with a more up/down pattern...with cold shots and snow potential. -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
On the flip side to this... the Euro ENS and the +EPO it has is a perfect example of what can go wrong, potentially leading to a continued mild/snowless pattern. -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
ENS finally showing changes... Growing support for a neutral to - AO/NAO/PNA starting next weekend. MJO looks likely to head back into the COD, staying out of warmer phases. Add in the PV chunk that will take hold in the Hudson region. Should lead to more cold shots and chances for snow...finally...for next week. Hopefully can get something going for a white Christmas. . -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
Hopefully we'll be in a better place by then. Would be nice to have a solid white Christmas. '17, '16 and '13 were, but only featured 1-2"...the last solid one was '10 later. -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
tth, as alek would say. what has occurred speaks for itself. Fairly large area of 2-6 above normal. Fairly snow-less as well...ORD with only 0.1" and DTW with 0.2" since that time. -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
i didn't start discussing this pattern until 11/18, as shown below. so that would be pointless. Indian summer part was a bit overblown, but otherwise mild/wet/lacking snow has been spot on. -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
thanks for playing. -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
Phases 2 and 3 are warmer phases in December. Phase 3 has the highest significant for a larger portion of the region. ENS teleconnections, combined with the projected MJO, would suggest a fairly unfavorable pattern through the 20th. That's not to say it won't snow at all, but things will be unfavorable for anything decent unless we thread the needle. Average/mild conditions will likely persist as well during that time. -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
ENS would suggest that at least the first week of December will likely be a lost cause for the most part, if trends are correct. They do show some of the same heading into week 2...However, I wouldn't put too much stock into anything that far out. The MJO entering the COD in a cold phase recently will likely help keep us from all out torching for now. It should be noted though that guidance wants to push the MJO out of the COD, and into "warmer" phases 2 and 3 during the first week of December. If that happens and teleconnections are in the vicinity of whats currently shown, then maybe a torch-y period could be a real possibility. Also...Some bad news...The ECMWF weeklies are a torch from ~Dec. 20-Jan. 10th (end of run). -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
ENS take the EPO/AO/NAO/PNA all neutral to +, some very +. Could have a decent stretch of mild and winter-less upcoming. -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
Back to back crushers leads to this... . -
Winter 2019-20 Medium/Long Range Discussion
Chicago Storm replied to Hoosier's topic in Lakes/Ohio Valley
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