LibertyBell

That winter it helped because everything was so marginal. That was one winter where almost every storm trended colder. If you go just south of our area, Philly, they only had average snowfall.

it would be absolutely hilarious if we had a winter like 2015-16 with 40 inches of snow (at JFK) with an average winter temperature of 40 degrees-- 6 degrees warmer than this winter!

an el nino Don?

You have to think those outside tracks are included in their calculations. There are tracks more rare than benchmark tracks-- Apps Runner is one of them. The lack of those tracks is why State College has been in a snowfall drought for a few decades now.

and then you have a year like 1993-94 where you have like 30 storms lol We got snow even in non benchmark track storms back then. I think we only had 2-3 benchmark tracks that entire winter but still had over 50 inches of snow.

Yes it probably has but now it's having even more of an effect. Even in those previous bad years we almost always had at least one 4 inch snowstorm every season.

The 70s and 80s still had more snow than we are seeing now. Also if you go strictly by 4 inch snowfalls, we got at least one of those every year. I generally agree that we had less snow in those decades, but this decade has been even less snowy by a significant margin plus --much-- warmer.

But even using their numbers it still means we should get a bench mark track about once a month. The fast Pacific clearly has an influence. And it isn't just us who haven't gotten much snow this year, snowfall has been historically low in Minneapolis, Chicago, Omaha, etc.

They really don't know our climate and have generally been resistant to climate change ideas. Not climate deniers, just resistant to it. I made a quick in my head calculation even based on those numbers and it still means 2-3 benchmark tracks per winter if we have a storm once a week and 4-6 if we have them twice a week.

Even using his calculations (which can't be right), it still means 2-3 benchmark tracks every winter on average. And 4-6 if we get storms more frequently than once a week.

No that can't be right, benchmark tracks are the classic *normal* track on most storm track maps. Also, inside the benchmark tracks can also be heavy snowfall tracks (see Millennium storm). Either way, in a colder climate, there are many other ways to get a good snowfall event here. Statistically speaking we have averaged an 8 inch snowstorm every other winter (using all of NYC's climate history) and average 3 or 4 4 inch snowstorms per winter.

nice to see even the south shore in the 60s to near 70.

It reminds me of the period between Boxing Day 2010 to the end of January 2011 in the city and on Long Island.

We had about a foot of snow here followed by sleet and then rain that packed it down to around 6 inches in March 1993 and then the cold snap that followed froze everything solid. As far as snowstorms are concerned, February 1983 had more of an impact here (of course-- that was 2 feet of snow lol.) December 1992 was one in which I thought my house was going to blow down because our fences came down on all sides and the wind was howling for the better part of a week and the entire shape of the coastline was changed.

I remember December 1992 as getting an entire week of news cycles. I've not seen winds that strong in my entire life until Sandy came along, but December 1992 lasted much longer than Sandy did. Just ranking coastal storms by overall impact not amount of snow or wintry precip in general it should rank number 1 or number 2 for noreasters (the only storm I could see exceeding it was the 1962 Ash Wednesday noreaster, which I wasn't alive to experience-- but that was focused more on the Jersey Shore from what I read?)

That just makes it a notable winter storm. December 1992 changed the shape of the entire coastline.

I don't know man, I think it dwarfs in comparison to December 1992. March 1993 to me was just a winter storm with some heavy snow and high winds, nothing we haven't had before. And not even 20"+ to make it a HECS. December 1992 on the other hand, took over the entire news cycle for one week. People drowned in the wide spread storm surge, the entire coastline was changed from the Jersey Shore to Brooklyn to Long Island, there were round the clock rescues being conducted to save people from drowning. It basically lasted a week and caused more damage here than any hurricane I have ever experienced-- until Sandy came along.

Not that this will ever happen, but this mix line isn't SE of 95, it's for anyone on the Jersey shore on southward, all of Long Island is fine on this map.

I know, I don't expect anything to happen either. If you look at the 90s, they were a highly exciting period, very hot summers (1991, 1993, 1995, 1999) and powerful coastal winters (whether they were snow or not doesn't really matter.) October 1991 December 1992 March 1993 January 1996 April 1997 December 1992 was our most powerful most impactful coastal storm until Hurricane Sandy came along. There was also a storm in December 1994 I think it was which some think should have been classified as a tropical storm or hurricane that made landfall near JFK while moving westward. Does anyone remember that storm?

Got completely shut out of any measurable rain here last October. That was our perfect month, truly historic.

2002 had one of our best spring and summer combinations we have ever had. Only exceeded by 2010. That April heatwave was a thing of beauty with some of the clearest blue skies I've ever seen.

Yep it's very important to get that mosquito population lower. I'm all for a correction from the last overly wet 2 decades back to the drier climate we had in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. That's how it's supposed to be here.

Lucy and Charlie Brown??

The real superstorm in 1992-93 happened in December. The so-called March superstorm was mostly an inland storm and had nowhere near the impact that December 1992 had here.

I'm going to tell you right now, that December 1992 was way more exciting than the so-called *superstorm* which was really more of an inland storm. December 1992 changed the entire shape of the coastline and affected us for 3-5 days and caused far more damage than the so-called *superstorm* could ever even dream of causing. I consider December 1992 the real superstorm of that season.