LibertyBell

February 1983 and February 1989 are both on this list, Don?

the low pressure only has to make it to the latitude of ACY before it gets shoved due east, a lot of our HECS only made it as far north as ACY.

The sun is awesome though, it makes everything much brighter. If it was sunny and cold it wouldn't melt quickly though, it's the higher dewpoints that are the problem.

Probably, but I would add other parts of the city into the equation too, since New York City isn't a single point and covers 5 boroughs. From living in Brooklyn and Nassau County and going to college in Queens, JFK is very representative of most of Brooklyn and Queens at least up to Jamaica. There's a large number of people who live in this area. Perhaps Central Park holds onto snow better, but I can certify that Manhattan as a whole most definitely does not-- I've witnessed many a 6 inch snowfall where Manhattan had barely any snow to be found. Particularly late season snowfalls. I've seen many snowfalls where the south shore held onto snowfall much better than urbanized Manhattan does. March 2001 (bust though it was) and April 1996 and April 2003 are cases in point. I've never been to Central Park (nor do I ever have a desire to go there-- I consider parks to be artificial environments like zoos and if I want to see nature I go to the Poconos or elsewhere where there are real woods.)

Highs: EWR: 65 (1957) NYC: 64 (1951) LGA: 65 (1951) JFK: 56 (2023) Lows: EWR: 4 (1979) NYC: -1 (1914) LGA: 8 (2016) JFK: 0 (1967) Historical: 1784 - Ice floes blocked the Mississippi River at New Orleans, then passed into the Gulf of Mexico. The only other time this occurred was during the "Great Arctic Outbreak" of 1899. (David Ludlum) 1885 - The "Friday the 13th" avalanche at Alva, UT, killed sixteen persons, and left thirteen others buried for twelve hours before being rescued. (David Ludlum) 1889 - It was the coldest morning of record along the Gulf Coast. The temperature dipped to 7 above zero at New Orleans LA and Pensacola FL, and plunged to -1 degree at Mobile AL. The mercury dipped to -2 degrees at Tallahassee, the coldest reading of record for the state of Florida. (David Ludlum) Tony, that last historical arctic outbreak was in 1899, not 1889 right? Also, tomorrow, Valentines Day, is the 9 year anniversary of the last time NYC went below zero!

wow, whats the closest location to the city or island that had measurable snowfall in May 2020?

This has been my thinking for a decade I think we had a conversation about it on the old forum. Evolution paves the way for the destruction of the evolving species, devolution as you say (and as I wrote back then.) Humanity actually peaked in intelligence about 3000 years ago according to a study I read. The Ancient Greeks, Egyptians, Sumerians, were far more capable of thinking on their feet than people in our society are and the scientific method and math they created form the basis of the society we have today. Have you ever read about the Antikythera device? It was the world's first ancient computer, made entirely of stone and able to predict eclipses and occultations years in advance. Created by the great Archimedes.

Yes I marvel at the genius of people like Nikola Tesla, who despite his OCD and somewhat magical thinking, was way way ahead of time and the father of modern electrical engineering.

what made 1960-61 so historically snowy? I feel like we ignore neutral years.....1966-67 was another historically snowy season that was neutral from that same decade.

and ended quite ominously with the March 2001 bust....

Then this might come down to education, has our education system failed us or have we failed it? We have been weakening our social safety nets and educational programs for the last few decades.

they'll bring up Florida and the Gulf Coast. but but..... look what just happened in the Deep South this season!!

it's his reaction to all the manic posts about snowfall, model runs, opining about the long range, medium range, short range, etc.

oh yes, but even that was a bit of a disappointment west of Suffolk County. I remember seeing forecast maps and predictions of 20-30 and the first half of the storm was rain, we still ended up with a decent 10-12 inches but areas to our north and east got 30+.

Don't forget New Orleans too lol

I'm trying to think of winters where we had many close calls and then finally got hit by a big one at the end of the season. I can't think of any right now.

I'm kind of shocked Mt Pocono only has 3.9 inches of snow this month, Walt!

There are winters where a storm like this would inevitably come north.....

Our great ones always start out this way, crawling up the coast. Reminds me of Feb 83, Jan 96, PD2, Jan 2016.

I remember there was some discussion about this but it was awhile back, maybe even a year or two ago. I would suggest looking for keywords IO and IOD and Maritime Continent. The funny thing is that there are people reading this thread who participated in that discussion but they haven't responded.

How much of this dumbing down has to do with certain conventional media outlets and also malicious social media algorithms? On a deeper level, how much of this dumbing down comes from the great cancer of corporatist crony crapitalism, to profit at any cost, even if it means cutting down social programs, healthcare and education? We have seen a whittling down of all of these since the 1970s. Teachers and nurses don't get paid enough, public education and healthcare aren't funded properly, our food aisles are littered with cheap unhealthy food that damages the minds and bodies of our children, the long term benefits of society are sacrificed for short term gains for a select few at the top.

Don't forget the warming Indian Ocean. I've seen it mentioned here and there (usually shortened to IO).

Sound effect and sound enhanced snow are pretty interesting, sometimes they make a storm last longer because the snowfall lingers.

It's a reflection of a proximal location on the north shore of Long Island that does really well in snowfall too. Mt Sinai and New Haven are both local hot spots for snowfall. They fit together like two pieces of a puzzle, did you notice how the northernmost part of the central CT shoreline matches the northernmost part of the central part of the north shore of Long Island? They were part of the same landmass before the last ice age.

Was what we had in 08-09, 09-10, 10-11, 13- 14, 14-15, also a response to the low points in snowfall in 06-07, 07-08 and 11-12?