LibertyBell

Don I see the projected temperature for February keeps getting lower, what are the chances that it finishes below 32.0? When was the last time both January and February finished below 32.0 (and also with total snowfall of both months combined under 10.0 inches)?

It will be gone Saturday night. The key is what falls during the day Saturday will be snow so at least we will get to see some snow falling during the day time.

It's getting close to 50 today here, as soon as the sun popped out just before 4, the temperature has been off to the races. It really feels like a spring sun with it so bright so late in the day

getting close to 50 here with the bright sun out now

It's getting close to 50 even today here, as soon as the sun popped out just before 4, the temperature has been off to the races. It really feels like a spring sun with it so bright so late in the day

January 1981 was just as dry as January 2025 was, there might be a connection there.

Oh I see! There was a revision of the numbers and seeing this map made me remember a big argument on this forum back in 2016, when this storm was ranked #4 all time behind March 1960. The NESIS calculations didn't include the revised data that upped the JFK total to 30.7. Based on the new data my contention was that this storm should rank higher than March 1960 on NESIS (widespread 30+ amounts in a densely populated area from Allentown to Hicksville) and should be number 3 on the list, right behind March 1993 and January 1996.

Thanks, is that 29.6 from Hicksville? Also please check the JFK amount, I think it was 30.7. There's also a 34.0 from Jackson Heights, Queens.

the sun angle is much more of an issue for urbanized areas though-- we wouldn't have this issue if we didn't have concrete and asphalt pollution.

Very true, and New Orleans too! They were still snowboarding down there three days after the event, Ed!

anything Phase 8 induced has to be considered a Caboose.

Yes, I'm wondering how bad it will be this weekend, as I intend to go there next week. I hope it isn't too hazardous!

Yes, these three year la ninas interrupted by a super el nino and then more la ninas in a row is very unhealthy, particularly to the environment and ecosystem. OT but at some point we're going to have to figure out how to regulate ocean currents and the climate.

I feel like it's going to be down to nowcasting where the freezing line sets up.

The trick for us to stay all snow on HECS is for the storm to make a sharp east turn once it reaches the latitude of ACY. If it gets any farther north it usually mixes or changes over.

wow and that was supposed to be one of our most extensive heavy snow events. January 2016 didn't either Don?

Hi, on your site, I saw your precise map of the 2015-16 season (one spot of 50" snowfall near Hicksville, NY), do you also have a map of the historic January 2016 blizzard? I want to see how extensive the 30"+ amounts were, I know they went from Allentown to Morristown to Somerville to Jackson Heights to JFK to Oceanside to Hicksville. But I've never seen a graphical hires representation of it.

24 hour duration is long enough

Thanks, my thinking is along the same lines. And this is probably why la ninas after el ninos have been very snowy here. 1995-96 and 2010-11 are two other examples.

ah, and 1993-94 is another example. it's probably why la ninas after el ninos are so snowy too.

Yes April 2003 being a case in point about heavy rates overcoming the lateness of the season. Lesser storms would barely accumulate during the day late in the season.

February 1983 and February 1989 are both on this list, Don?

the low pressure only has to make it to the latitude of ACY before it gets shoved due east, a lot of our HECS only made it as far north as ACY.

The sun is awesome though, it makes everything much brighter. If it was sunny and cold it wouldn't melt quickly though, it's the higher dewpoints that are the problem.

Probably, but I would add other parts of the city into the equation too, since New York City isn't a single point and covers 5 boroughs. From living in Brooklyn and Nassau County and going to college in Queens, JFK is very representative of most of Brooklyn and Queens at least up to Jamaica. There's a large number of people who live in this area. Perhaps Central Park holds onto snow better, but I can certify that Manhattan as a whole most definitely does not-- I've witnessed many a 6 inch snowfall where Manhattan had barely any snow to be found. Particularly late season snowfalls. I've seen many snowfalls where the south shore held onto snowfall much better than urbanized Manhattan does. March 2001 (bust though it was) and April 1996 and April 2003 are cases in point. I've never been to Central Park (nor do I ever have a desire to go there-- I consider parks to be artificial environments like zoos and if I want to see nature I go to the Poconos or elsewhere where there are real woods.)