LibertyBell

when will that kicker be properly sampled?

I just dont like the word *shower* when it refers to snow, it's a huge source of confusion for many people who always associate *shower* with rain. I think that term needs to be retired from the weather lexicon and just use flurries instead You're right though, can't waffle back and forth, they should just say *A chance of snow*

a *shower* not never even refer to snow, I hate that overused phrase with a passion a shower should ONLY refer to rain

*snow showers* is the most overused phrase in history

Don't mess with Santa

But that kicker hasn't even been sampled yet? When will that be properly sampled-- Monday?

the ground is colder than the air temperature

Highs:EWR: 76 (1949)NYC: 73 (1949)LGA: 74 (1949)JFK: 64 (1954)Lows:EWR: -7 (1943) NYC: -8 (1943)LGA: -7 (1943)JFK: 5 (2015) That -8 in 1943 was the last time NYC was colder than -2 ! Is the -7 at LGA their all time record low, Tony? 73-76 is unusually warm for February! No records for JFK in 1949 Tony (obviously not for the cold in 1943.)

But then you can also have a super windy blizzard like January 2016 with 12 straight hours of true blizzard conditions that drops over 30 inches at JFK. Maybe February 1978 is an example of wind reducing total snowfall though as JFK only received 14 inches in that storm, less than half of what they got in January 2016.

January 2015 was still 10 inches so plenty of snow.

Yes that was a mixing storm here too and the snowfall rates weren't as high as the other two I mentioned.

I loved both the December and February snowstorms that winter, that was another snowy la nina after el nino.

No 2 miles in. Winter storms don't do a lot of damage to our beaches unless one lives on a barrier island and I don't remember any snowstorm especially damaging ocean front or beach front property, it's usually the big rainstorms that do it like December 1992.

The best combo would be if it stalled and looped around.

oh it was a great storm, just not a blizzard here. Anything that drops 10 inches or more is a KU event

Does that mean if AI weather models had been developed in the early 10s they would have been much more accurate since coastal snowstorms were much more common back then?

snow storm to mixed event, but not a blizzard

so the storm is shifting west and also getting larger longitudinally on that AI model, Don?

The question is why do suppression, hugger and cutter tracks become more common with a faster Pacific but benchmark tracks become less common? What's so special about benchmark tracks that cause the opposite reaction vs the other tracks?

I'm glad they took my suggestion seriously, some of the people in that subforum need to be gagged and tied up for a few years.

found this, it's quite interesting https://www.nyhistory.org/blogs/a-word-about-the-weather Meteorology record of George Hodgsden, showing the coldest daylight temperatures ever recorded in new York City on January 10, 1859. Hodgsden Weather Diary, MS 1828 According to the Encyclopedia of New York, merchant William Laight and his son Henry were the first to maintain an extended record of New York weather, beginning in 1788. The Society has the weather diaries of Henry, covering 1795-1803 and 1816-1822, noting the temperature, wind, precipitation and/or clouds, lunar phase and a brief entry about the day’s events. Similar data were recorded by a variety of people, including farmers, seamen, and military officers, and for any number of reasons, as shown by the “Thermometrical Observations” kept by George B. Hodgsden, secretary for the Knickerbocker Fire Insurance Co. In that diary is recorded the coldest month on record, January 1857, and the coldest daytime temperature on January 10, 1859, during which the mercury remained below zero the entire day. By the second half of the nineteenth century, numerous organizations were keeping records, among them was Dr. Daniel Draper, who organized the New York Meteorological Observatory in 1869. Although Central Park’s meteorological observations have long been associated with Belvedere Castle, the NYMO first headquartered at the Arsenal. “New York State Arsenal”, the first home to the New York Meteorological Observatory. Manual of the Corporation of the City of New York. The Council: New York, 1850. An interesting side story is an 1825 New York State law requiring academies accredited by the Regents of the University of the State of New York to report meteorological observations to the Regents. Those data were subsequently compiled and made publicly available through publication, such as in the volume shown below. The practice is also demonstrated by neatly-kept volumes that appear in the records of Brooklyn’s Erasmus Hall High School. Results of a Series of Meteorological Observations… Albany: Weed Parson & Company, 1855. Erasmus Hall High School Records, MS 201

Yes, it was a mini January 2016. 15 inches in 12 hours instead of 30 inches in 24 hours lol... 6 hours of true blizzard conditions vs 12 hours of true blizzard conditions. It happened during the day and you could not see anything outside for hours it was a true white out!

My last real blizzards were January 2016 and January 2018, both were great day time long duration white out snowstorms.

I think January 2016 and January 2018 both had like 11:1 ratios with stronger winds of longer duration. So, it won't be 15:1 but up to 12:1 is definitely possible.

wow thanks Chris, maybe these go in cycles too-- there was a cluster in the 60s and another one in the late 70s. But only one in the 80s and then none at all for 16 years until 2001! I'm surprised we didn't have any at all in the 90s considering how snowy it was in 93-94 and 95-96!! None in the 00s after 2001 either, I'm shocked we didn't have any between 02-03 and 04-05!! Early 10s had another cluster and then of course the one associated with the big blizzard in January 2016. February 2021-- was that the one associated with the Groundhogs Day snowstorm? So this strong block can have lingering effects with more snowstorm possibilities right to the end of February before the pattern changes in early March? From the above list-- big snowstorms associated with big blocks since 1960: February 1969 February 1978 December 2009 February 2010 (multiple) December 2010 January 2016 February 2021 From the above list-- big arctic outbreaks associated with big blocks since 1960 February 1963 January 1977 January 1985 I added February 1963 after I read this https://thestarryeye.typepad.com/weather/2013/01/baby-its-cold-outside-a-history-of-single-digit-temperatures-in-new-york-city Temperatures of zero or below have been reported just eleven times since 1970, with the coldest reading of 2° below zero occurring on three occasions: Jan. 17, 1977; Jan. 21, 1985; and Jan. 19, 1994. There has been just one sub-zero reading this century and it occurred during the mild winter of 2016, when the mercury dropped to -1° on Valentine's Day. Not only was it a record for the date, it was also the first below zero reading since 1994, the first to occur in February since 1963, and the latest date for a sub-zero reading since 1934.