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2 hours ago, Rtd208 said:
TWC will start naming heatwaves soon.
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16 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:
No snow was recorded at JFK. But it was mostly cloudy with cold rain.
So May 9, 2020 was the latest that snow has been recorded at JFK, Don?
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1 hour ago, winterwx21 said:
Yeah I cringe when I'm at stores and see tomato plants out this early. I'm sure there was some damage this morning with the temps near freezing.
I remember my tomato plants were damaged during a heavy frost we had on May 13, 1996. That was my latest frost here on the south shore. And that was on a Monday, I spent the weekend in the Poconos were it snowed and caused tree damage after a severe weather outbreak! That was my latest snowfall and it came after our best winter ever.
I enjoyed May 9, 2020 much more.
I would wait for the week before Memorial Day weekend to plant anything sensitive.
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46 minutes ago, Evie3 said:
IDK if this is relevant/interesting to anyone else, but I remember it snowing in June when I was a young child in rural Sussex County (Newton/Sparta area). I remember snow on our flowers which were in bloom (I think they were peonies). This would have been in the early 1960s. I don't know how that happened and/or what the actual low temperature was on that day, from reading discussions on here I understand that under certain conditions snow can fall from the sky even though temperatures are above freezing. Curious if anyone knows if there a record of that event anywhere.
It might be around the time that LGA recorded their latest trace of snow, which I believe was near Memorial Day in 1964?
For Newton or Sparta I'd look at records from Sussex, NJ (KFWN?)
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24 minutes ago, bluewave said:
The memorable cold combined with snow at times records since 09-10 have pretty much been one hit wonders. We haven’t seen a repeat of the June-July 2009 average high at Newark staying under 80°. Same goes for the record October snowstorm in 2011 all the way down to Central Park. The February 2015 -10 or lower departure looks safe also. Plus the first below zero in NYC during February 2015 since January 1994 also looks hard to beat for the month of February.
May 9, 2020 goes into the same category as February 14, 2016.
Extreme cold islands surrounded by an ocean of warmth.
October 2011 snowstorm and January 2016 snowstorm fit into this too.
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38 minutes ago, bluewave said:
That combination of snow and cold in May was probably a one-off in our much warmer climate.
It was strange to get that after such a mild and nearly snowless winter.
Aside from that cold and snow on May 9th that period had literally nothing in common with 1976-77 lol.
It's so strange how two radically different periods can sometimes have the same general kind of weather on the exact same day lol.
The April 1976 to April 2002 comparison fits into this category too. Both Aprils had major heatwaves with almost the exact same high temperatures on almost the exact same days! But the summers that followed were radically different!
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Proposed Shintech Louisiana expansion leaves some Iberville parish residents on edge
https://www.propublica.org/series/polluters-paradisePolluter’s Paradise
Environmental Impact in LouisianaThe petrochemical industry has grown in Louisiana, with more plants on the way, but the state’s environmental regulations haven’t kept up.
https://www.propublica.org/article/welcome-to-cancer-alley-where-toxic-air-is-about-to-get-worse
Welcome to “Cancer Alley,” Where Toxic Air Is About to Get Worse
Air quality has improved for decades across the U.S., but Louisiana is backsliding. Our analysis found that a crush of new industrial plants will increase concentrations of cancer-causing chemicals in predominantly black and poor communities.
https://projects.propublica.org/louisiana-toxic-air/In a Notoriously Polluted Area of the Country, Massive New Chemical Plants Are Still Moving In
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/article_c30d4620-a1be-11e9-837c-13f09466bb79.htmlFor massive new plants, Formosa wants OK to double amount of chemicals released into St. James Parish air
https://www.propublica.org/article/welcome-to-cancer-alley-where-toxic-air-is-about-to-get-worse
For massive new plants, Formosa wants OK to double amount of chemicals released into St. James Parish air
In a Notoriously Polluted Area of the Country, Massive New Chemical Plants Are Still Moving In -
This is worthy of a major billion dollar class action lawsuit
https://www.propublica.org/article/welcome-to-cancer-alley-where-toxic-air-is-about-to-get-worse
ST. GABRIEL, La. — Over a half-century, Hazel Schexnayder saw this riverside hamlet transformed from a collection of old plantations, tin-roofed shacks and verdant cornfields into an industrial juggernaut.
By the early 1990s, she’d had enough of the towering chemical plants and their mysterious white plumes, the roadside ditches oozing with blue fluid, the air that smelled of rotten eggs and nail-polish remover, the neighbors suffering miscarriages and dying of cancer.
“We were inundated with plants,” Schexnayder, now 87, said. “We didn’t need any more around here.”
She and others began pushing back in 1993, and the following year, residents voted to turn their corner of unincorporated Iberville Parish into the city of St. Gabriel. They wanted sidewalks and other amenities, but more than that, they wanted some say over the chemical plants popping up in their backyards.
While the newly created city was able to keep new plants out, the petrochemical pileup continued unabated beyond St. Gabriel’s borders.
“I bet you money there are 20 plants right now just around St. Gabriel,” Schexnayder said, nearly twice as many as there were when the incorporation drive began.
She’s not even close. There are now 30 large petrochemical plants within 10 miles of her house, most of them outside the city limits. Thirteen are within a 3-mile radius of her home. The nearest facility, only a mile away, is the world’s largest manufacturer of polystyrene, commonly known as Styrofoam.
Stories of fed-up Louisianans like Schexnayder fighting back against corporate polluters have gotten worldwide media attention over the last year, as a raft of enormous new petrochemical facilities takes shape along the Mississippi River corridor. Much of the focus has been on the potential hazards posed by specific plants, including the $9.4 billion plastics factory that Formosa plans to build in St. James Parish and the long-standing Denka neoprene facility in St. John Parish, whose dangerous emissions were highlighted in an Environmental Protection Agency model that estimates cancer risk around chemical plants. Indeed, the stretch of the Mississippi River between New Orleans and Baton Rouge is nicknamed “Cancer Alley” because of its concentration of petrochemical facilities.
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10 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:
I know all about pollution. You're figure is exaggerated. You implied there is an 86x increase in cancer risk over a large area. The highest risk you've actually shown is this one which finds a 50x risk - not even in one town, but within a mile of the plant. And 86x is not close to 50x, it's nearly double. None of the EPA studies find anywhere near that high of an incidence. Air pollution from chemical plants is bad, there's no reason to exaggerate.
I have the original report from the EPA. I'll send that to you
There isn't that much of a difference between 50x and 86x because both way way are too high and EPA alleges racism occurring at the Louisiana DEP (and they're probably right.)
This is a long report.
https://www.epa.gov/system/files/documents/2022-10/2022 10 12 Final Letter LDEQ LDH 01R-22-R6%2C 02R-22-R6%2C 04R-22-R6.pdf
I also found this paper
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac4360
There's also some related research about racism in Louisiana about how air pollution regulations and emissions of toxic chemicals is concerned.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2667010022002281
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780128190081000134
In the article they mention the town of Reserve Louisiana has that excessive risk of cancer. This is also mentioned in that 56 page EPA PDF I linked to earlier in the post.
Reserve, Louisiana — In a Louisiana town of 10,000 people, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said there is some of the most toxic air in America. More than 100 petrochemical plants and refineries dot the corridor between New Orleans and Baton Rouge, often referred to as "cancer alley."
The town of Reserve is right in the middle of it, and the cancer risk there is almost 50 times the national average, according to the EPA.
Robert Taylor has lived there most of his 78 years. Even his family cemetery is surrounded by a refinery. He said his mom, sister, uncle and nephew all died of cancer.
"As I stand here, it's overwhelming to me. All of my folks are here. I will eventually wind up here," he said.
For decades, people in Reserve have had health problems ranging from dizziness and severe headaches to liver and lung cancer. Many believe a plant, hundreds of yards from some of their homes, is the source.The Denka Performance Elastomer plant, owned by DuPont until 2015, makes chloroprene, a chemical the EPA calls a "likely human carcinogen." Denka is the only plant in the country producing it.
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2 hours ago, bluewave said:
Early indications are that the blocking will extend at least into early May. So the exact position of the back door will probably have to wait until we are under 120 hrs. Record blocking across Canada since last May.
So maybe we'll have an early May like we did in 2020?
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2 hours ago, WX-PA said:
Was at a class at Kingsbough College when I took a peak outside and it was snowing..Very strange indeed. And it was blustery and cold..Two months later one of the most famous heatwaves hit NYC, which was during a blackout.
Yes, I remember it well, the heat plus the crime reached astonishing levels!
It's funny I remember it well even though I wasn't even 4 years old yet but I remember being scared in the dark and hearing police sirens all night long....
We had a similar occurrence in 2003 (minus all the crime of course.)
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1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said:
No. JFK's lowest May temperature is 34° (May 10, 1966 and May 9, 2020).
It makes me wonder why there was such a narrow range on May 9, 1977 of 43-38? Did JFK get a T of snow that day as well as on May 9, 2020? Those have to be their latest traces of snowfall?
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These same companies (DuPont I'm looking at you!) are causing the PFOA plague that's afflicting the planet right now.
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19 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:
Let's not pretend there was no air pollution before the Industrial Revolution. All the wood burning for heat, foundries, tanneries, etc. would have certainly lead to extensive smog in the cities. Not to mention, there was no garbage collection or sewage, so human waste was just strewn throughout the cities.
Also, I'm going to need a source on this 86x cancer risk. That doesn't sound credible to me, and I can't find any source that claims anywhere near that figure.
It's close enough-- I have very little patience for primitive people who think pollution isn't a huge problem.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/12/reserve-louisiana-cancer-epa-monitoring
Residents of Cancer Town urge tougher measures to monitor toxins
This article is more than 4 years oldThe town at the center of a Guardian series, where the cancer risk is 50 times the national average, is critical of a planned monitoring system
Reserve, Louisiana — In a Louisiana town of 10,000 people, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said there is some of the most toxic air in America. More than 100 petrochemical plants and refineries dot the corridor between New Orleans and Baton Rouge, often referred to as "cancer alley."
The town of Reserve is right in the middle of it, and the cancer risk there is almost 50 times the national average, according to the EPA.
Robert Taylor has lived there most of his 78 years. Even his family cemetery is surrounded by a refinery. He said his mom, sister, uncle and nephew all died of cancer.
"As I stand here, it's overwhelming to me. All of my folks are here. I will eventually wind up here," he said.
For decades, people in Reserve have had health problems ranging from dizziness and severe headaches to liver and lung cancer. Many believe a plant, hundreds of yards from some of their homes, is the source.The Denka Performance Elastomer plant, owned by DuPont until 2015, makes chloroprene, a chemical the EPA calls a "likely human carcinogen." Denka is the only plant in the country producing it.
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16 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:
Let's not pretend there was no air pollution before the Industrial Revolution. All the wood burning for heat, foundries, tanneries, etc. would have certainly lead to extensive smog in the cities. Not to mention, there was no garbage collection or sewage, so human waste was just strewn throughout the cities.
Also, I'm going to need a source on this 86x cancer risk. That doesn't sound credible to me, and I can't find any source that claims anywhere near that figure.
You really need to be educated, so you should read more and post less.
https://aqli.epic.uchicago.edu/news/polluted-air-shortens-human-lifespans-more-than-tobacco-study-finds/#:~:text=That is the conclusion of,expectancy by 2.3 years worldwide.
Cigarette smoking and other uses of tobacco shave an average of 2.2 years off lifespans globally. But merely breathing—if the air is polluted—is more damaging to human health.
That is the conclusion of a report published Tuesday by the University of Chicago’s Energy Policy Institute, which identified air pollution as the world’s top threat to public health, responsible for reducing average life expectancy by 2.3 years worldwide.
China, once the poster child for smog-filled skies, has been a surprise success story. Between 2013 and 2021, the world’s second-largest economy improved overall air quality by more than 40% while the average lifespan of residents increased by more than two years, according to the report.
By contrast, four countries in South Asia—India, Bangladesh Nepal and Pakistan—accounted for more than half of the total years of life lost globally due to pollution in the atmosphere over the same eight years. India alone was responsible for nearly 60% of the growth in air pollution across the globe during that time.
If India were to meet World Health Organization guidelines for particulate pollution, the life expectancy for residents of capital city New Delhi would increase by 12 years.
India’s Ministry of Environment, Forests and Climate Change didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.
An increase in wildfires in places such as California and Canada has renewed attention on the dangers of polluted air. Around 350 cities globally suffer the same level of dangerous haze that enveloped New York City in June at least once a year, according to calculations from environmental think tank Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air, which aggregates data from dozens of official government sources.
How seriously a country takes the problem typically depends in part on public awareness, according to Michael Greenstone, an economics professor at the University of Chicago who contributed to the report. Knowledge of the health risks of poor air quality is low in many African and Asian countries, which suffer the worst outcomes.
“Air-pollution improvements are often driven by the demand of the people,” he said. Having access to reliable monitoring tools to enforce clean-air requirements is also important, he said.
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14 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:
Let's not pretend there was no air pollution before the Industrial Revolution. All the wood burning for heat, foundries, tanneries, etc. would have certainly lead to extensive smog in the cities. Not to mention, there was no garbage collection or sewage, so human waste was just strewn throughout the cities.
Also, I'm going to need a source on this 86x cancer risk. That doesn't sound credible to me, and I can't find any source that claims anywhere near that figure.
You don't sound logical or rational with your take here.
So let me make it easy for you.
Fossil fuels + POPULATION EXPLOSION = MASSIVE RATES OF POLLUTION
You do the math here, with billions upon billions of people driving cars, trucks, and what have you..... it's a simple equation to solve really.
Pre Industrial Revolution, how many people lived on the planet?
You should be smart enough to figure this out yourself and if you're not, what exactly are you doing on this forum?
The health impacts of toxic fossil fuels far outweigh ANY temperature increase and it's the health impact that will move the needle, because people really don't care about a temperature that's a few degrees warmer regardless of the other impacts it will have.
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10 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:
Let's not pretend there was no air pollution before the Industrial Revolution. All the wood burning for heat, foundries, tanneries, etc. would have certainly lead to extensive smog in the cities. Not to mention, there was no garbage collection or sewage, so human waste was just strewn throughout the cities.
Also, I'm going to need a source on this 86x cancer risk. That doesn't sound credible to me, and I can't find any source that claims anywhere near that figure.
Plenty of material around, I'm shocked you don't know about it
- People living in the area are more than 50 times as likely to get cancer than the average American.
https://www.propublica.org/article/welcome-to-cancer-alley-where-toxic-air-is-about-to-get-worse
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1 hour ago, FPizz said:
Guess what was used in getting access to those medicines/lab equipment/people getting to those labs to do the work..something that has to do with the fossil fuel industry. There is nothing in your eyesight right now that the industry hasn't touched in one way, shape or form. It is going to take probably centuries until that changes and you're not going to be able to convince anyone to change that right now.
It's actually much more complicated than that.
Most of the pollution of fossil fuels and their health impacts are borne by minority communities.
But people are finally waking up to this and activists scored major victories that have banned new petrochemical facilities being created in Cancer Alley in Louisiana where cancer rates are 86x higher because of pollution from fossil fuels. The civil rights movement and the environmental movement have united to fight the same enemies-- even this Earth Day is labeled Plastics vs The Planet, as the fossil fuel cartels have shifted to plastics as their main source of revenue since renewables are replacing them for energy.
The question then becomes where do you want these toxic petrochemical factories to be built? In your town? Luckily you won't have to make that hard decision because there's a global plastics treaty being organized right now to finally eliminate plastics once and for all and shut down this toxic revenue stream of the corrupt fossil fuel cartels.
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6 minutes ago, bluewave said:
2020 set the record for latest 34° on record in NYC. The last time NYC had a freeze after 4-20 was in 1930. May 2020 was also the 3rd coldest low temperature on record in NYC. JFK tied with 1966 for the coldest reading ever in the month of May.
Frost/Freeze Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY
Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date.
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.YearLastValueFirstValueSeason Length2020 05-09 (2020) 34 10-31 (2020) 32 174 1891 05-06 (1891) 32 11-03 (1891) 33 180 1874 05-03 (1874) 33 11-12 (1874) 32 192 1876 04-30 (1876) 34 10-15 (1876) 32 167 1883 04-29 (1883) 34 11-12 (1883) 30 196
Frost/Freeze Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY
Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date.
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.YearLastValueFirstValueSeason Length1891 05-06 (1891) 32 11-04 (1891) 30 181 1874 04-30 (1874) 32 11-12 (1874) 32 195 1919 04-26 (1919) 31 11-14 (1919) 30 201 1892 04-25 (1892) 32 11-11 (1892) 32 199 1888 04-25 (1888) 31 11-17 (1888) 30 205 1930 04-24 (1930) 31 11-06 (1930) 31 195 1872 04-23 (1872) 29 11-16 (1872) 30 206 1875 04-22 (1875) 28 11-02 (1875) 31 193 1925 04-21 (1925) 32 10-29 (1925) 31 190 1922 04-21 (1922) 32 11-21 (1922) 32 213
Time Series Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY - Month of May
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.RankYearLowest Min TemperatureMissing Count1 1891 32 0 2 1874 33 0 3 2020 34 0 4 1947 35 0 - 1880 35 0 5 1977 36 0 - 1966 36 0 - 1913 36 0 - 1876 36 1
Time Series Summary for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NY - Month of May
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.RankYearLowest Min TemperatureMissing Count1 2020 34 0 - 1966 34 0 2 1992 37 0 3 2008 38 0 - 1977 38 0 - 1970 38 0 - 1956 38 0 Very small spread of 43-38 at JFK on May 7, 1977!
43 had to be the lowest low in the month of May at JFK?
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5 minutes ago, bluewave said:
2020 set the record for latest 34° on record in NYC. The last time NYC had a freeze after 4-20 was in 1930. May 2020 was also the 3rd coldest low temperature on record in NYC. JFK tied with 1966 for the coldest reading ever in the month of May.
Frost/Freeze Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY
Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date.
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.YearLastValueFirstValueSeason Length2020 05-09 (2020) 34 10-31 (2020) 32 174 1891 05-06 (1891) 32 11-03 (1891) 33 180 1874 05-03 (1874) 33 11-12 (1874) 32 192 1876 04-30 (1876) 34 10-15 (1876) 32 167 1883 04-29 (1883) 34 11-12 (1883) 30 196
Frost/Freeze Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY
Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date.
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.YearLastValueFirstValueSeason Length1891 05-06 (1891) 32 11-04 (1891) 30 181 1874 04-30 (1874) 32 11-12 (1874) 32 195 1919 04-26 (1919) 31 11-14 (1919) 30 201 1892 04-25 (1892) 32 11-11 (1892) 32 199 1888 04-25 (1888) 31 11-17 (1888) 30 205 1930 04-24 (1930) 31 11-06 (1930) 31 195 1872 04-23 (1872) 29 11-16 (1872) 30 206 1875 04-22 (1875) 28 11-02 (1875) 31 193 1925 04-21 (1925) 32 10-29 (1925) 31 190 1922 04-21 (1922) 32 11-21 (1922) 32 213
Time Series Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY - Month of May
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.RankYearLowest Min TemperatureMissing Count1 1891 32 0 2 1874 33 0 3 2020 34 0 4 1947 35 0 - 1880 35 0 5 1977 36 0 - 1966 36 0 - 1913 36 0 - 1876 36 1
Time Series Summary for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NY - Month of May
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.RankYearLowest Min TemperatureMissing Count1 2020 34 0 - 1966 34 0 2 1992 37 0 3 2008 38 0 - 1977 38 0 - 1970 38 0 - 1956 38 0 Wow thanks Chris-- and did May 9th in both 1977 and 2020 record a T of snow in both Central Park and JFK?
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8 minutes ago, FPizz said:
Guess what was used in getting access to those medicines/lab equipment/people getting to those labs to do the work..something that has to do with the fossil fuel industry. There is nothing in your eyesight right now that the industry hasn't touched in one way, shape or form. It is going to take probably centuries until that changes and you're not going to be able to convince anyone to change that right now.
People don't have to do anything though. There's a few simple things that are already happening. More people driving electric vehicles (which will be the only vehicles produced by 2035). This will curb air pollution and asthma. Even airlines are now starting to work with green fuels (biofuels). The plastics treaty which will end plastic trash by converting to plant based plastics (which will stop the health impacts of plastics causing organ damage.) And net zero by 2050 means there won't be any more of an impact of CO2 than what we already have because whatever carbon pollution we cause will be balanced out with the much higher usage of renewables.
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6 minutes ago, FPizz said:
Want to know why, because people are living longer than ever, mainly because of fossil fuels. Ever realize the temp hockey stick you can lay on top of the average age hockey stick and they match? It's going to be hard to convince the world to give up on fossil fuels since that industry is one of the top reasons we now don't die at age 40.
There's also the case of modern medicines. But we can also question if longevity better health and I'm not sure it does. Asthma and air pollution are much higher than they were before the industrial revolution and air pollution is listed as the number one shortener of life ahead of tobacco smoking.
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26 minutes ago, uofmiami said:
You are going to make me break out my solar binoculars I got for the eclipse. It was amazing seeing the sunspot then. I was able to have my nephew see it prior to eclipse and he wanted to see after it was over as well.
I enjoy it more than looking at the craters on the moon because the craters don't move! It's fun discovering new sunspots too, the sun is full of surprises my friend!
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31 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:
No. The record was set on May 9, 1977 with a high temperature of just 43°.
Thanks, Don. Did that date and May 9, 2020 both have a trace of snow at JFK? Also, what was the recorded low at JFK in 1977-- was that their latest temperature of 32 or lower?
Weird to see it repeat on exactly the same date, but that seems to happen quite often!
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Just wait until TWC starts naming heatwaves lol