LibertyBell

Yes the planet has a cap about how hot it can get, that's why even with climate change, Death Valley has never gotten hotter than 130 degrees (confirmed).

How many standard deviations for a month like December 2015 vs one like February 2015 Don? And December 1989? The departures were similar but in opposite directions.

Depends on what you mean by winter. If you mean 40s and rain.....

Over the top heat though. They've been hot all summer.

Thursday would have been much better than this nonstorm tonight. While in theory rain sounded like a good idea tonight, in reality when you get light rain like this at night it really sucks. It just makes the air more uncomfortable and much more humid and I've been up all night with a stuffy nose and sneezing. I'm about to turn on my air conditioning. A dry cool night with temperatures in the 50s is FAR superior to this. I hope the next time it rains it's when we get a noreaster. Either that or a strong frontal passage with cool dry weather behind it. Not this nonsense of a nonstorm. This is nothing but a godawful humidity pump.

This is probably why I'm so uncomfortable tonight, this socalled storm is nothing more than a humidity pump that triggered my allergies.

I thought we weren't going to use 1891 because of its very limited dataset? The limited data at EWR in 1891 makes September look erroneously warm and makes October look erroneously cool lol.

I don't think it's going to be that extreme. Temperatures in the 70s are fine. There is no hot air around to make it that hot.

While in theory rain sounded like a good idea, in reality when you get light rain like this at night it really sucks. It just makes the air more uncomfortable and much more humid and I've been up all night with a stuffy nose and sneezing. I'm about to turn on my air conditioning. A dry cool night with temperatures in the 50s is FAR superior to this. I hope the next time it rains it's when we get a noreaster. Either that or a strong frontal passage with cool dry weather behind it. Not this nonsense of a nonstorm. This is nothing but a godawful humidity pump.

By the way I do think some of the stuff with processed food is an addiction, my parents were big on eating healthy so I never got why some people just can't eat normal food. But I've been told by people who have been eating highly processed food since they were little that they can't even digest vegetables. It didn't make sense to me but then I read this. Mr. Moss was able to obtain documents that support this entire story. Michael Moss stated, “What I found, over four years of research and reporting, was a conscious effort — taking place in labs and marketing meetings and grocery-store aisles — to get people hooked on foods that are convenient and inexpensive.” Mr. Moss interviewed over 300 people who had been involved, or were still involved, with the food industry. In this article, he relays examples of how certain foods were formulated to make products irresistible to consumers. Foods that he mentioned in the magazine article were Dr. Pepper soft drink, Prego spaghetti sauce, Lunchables with dessert, the line extension for Lay’s potato chips, and several other major processed foods. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/04/26/990821079/cheap-legal-and-everywhere-how-food-companies-get-us-hooked-on-junk

Imagine if that was snow, WW3 would have started lol

Cant even buy a decent storm. I'm not even a big fan of storms, they're too localized, but seeing something like what we did back in early July would be nice.

Don actually posted about this in the banter thread so we can continue from there.

it was 81 here today even when it was overcast, no idea where that 76 at JFK came from =\

Germany is a screwed up nation on multiple fronts, we shouldn't be using them as an example.

Yes, the health problems associated with petrochemicals also needs to be addressed and more than just air pollution from their smoke stacks which is bad enough we also have to deal with plastic pollution which is finding its way into our bodies. As a matter of fact fossil fuel companies are increasingly going into plastic production to make up for what they see as a slow market reduction in fossil fuels. Plant based biodegradable plastics offer a future beyond fossil fuel plastics.

But this cautiousness also cripples the urgency for action.

when did this warm stretch begin Don, the 20th?

we will need July 2011 type heat to hit 100 at NYC.

Probably. There are also meat substitutes and lab grown meat is becoming more prevalent. This will be a great boon to the environment because animal farming wastes a lot of land, water and other resources as well as high methane emissions. This is where I'm at, I love the taste of meat so either meat substitutes or lab grown meat are good by me. Animal experimentation is also being replaced by lab grown organs and 3D printing of organs, which are not only less expensive to house and more efficient but also much more accurate than animal testing. I see this greatly helping out the organ donor program too. Technology moves us forward as always.

Even the airport! NYC is the last remaining holdout then, everyone else from DC to Boston has hit 100 this year.

September yes, but we used to turn on the heat in early October going back to the 80s. None of those winters were snowy but the cold always came in early. Our benchmark was the first time the low goes below 40 we turned on the heat.

it's also why mass migrations happen, especially if it's connected to famine and starvation.

Yes I thought my eyes were playing games on me when I saw the October thread so I wrote this there: Don how did EWR go from the hottest September on record in September 1891 to the coldest October on record in October 1891? Both are way out of line with NYC lol.

Don how did EWR go from the hottest September on record in September 1891 to the coldest October on record in October 1891? Both are way out of line with NYC lol.