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TN valley heavy rain/flooding week of whenever
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5 inch contours back on 7 day click for this mornings update The MS river at Baton Rouge, without the rain factored in, crest 44 feet .... top 5 -
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Expected Rainfall Amounts Thursday Night through Sunday Afternoon. Total rainfall amounts will generally range from around 2.5 inches to around 3.5 inches. These expected rainfall amounts may have an affect on area rivers. These expected rainfall amounts are preliminary and subject to change. -
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lake cumberland 749.65 feet down .95 or .04/hr (inflow increased form rain slowed the fall) if the lake falls 1.2 ft per day we will be at 746 at 10z friday near the start of the "wet period" Center hill dam (the other big pool) also still very full and the rains have also slowed its fall its at 670.6 ft , it peaked at 678 or so..the top of the spillway is 785 on Feb 18th it was at 635 so it is still 35 feet higher then 3 weeks ago and only 15 feet from the top of the spillway (or secondary overflow) -
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Lake Cumberland at this time is back down to the old record high it fell 1.38 ft 24 hours ending at 5am..or .058/hr assuming a 1.5 foot drop per day the lake will be at 744.37 at 11z friday ..near the start of the wet period..the also seem to be SLOWLY backing down the outflow in baby steps..now 57,100 down from 59,800 looks like a general 1/2 to inch over most of TN today heavier south of the TVA watershed -
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12z NAM shifted south ..still hits E TN go0d but not Cumberland so much at 5am lake cumberland 753.25 down down 1.35 ft or .056/hr past 24 hours odds are the southern solutions will pan out... -
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yep..nice "dry" spell yesterdays rains missed the cumberland watershed but not TN river........ HSV : HUNTSVILLE AIRPORT : 1.12 MSL : MUSCLE SHOALS ARPT : 0.91 KCHA .48 TVS .25 lake Cumberloand at 5am down 1 foot the past 24 hours or .042/hr 754.6 at 5am -
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still building a wall near/under that tower...locals are saying truck after truck of rocks still coming in today .I wonder if the are prepping it for even higher releases -
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Cumberland at 5am 755.61 down .65 feet or .027/hr the past 24 hours some light rain today weekend system may slow/stall fall models continue to hint at more active set up 9-10 days -
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Tennessee Valley Authority Verified account @TVAnews 3h3 hours ago More River Update: We are increasing releases out of tributary dams to recover flood storage in preparation for the next rain event, so you can expect to see above normal river flows below those dams. (1-3) Further downstream on Kentucky Lake, we continue to work with the Army Corps of Engineers to control releases out of Kentucky Dam because of flooding on the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers. Water levels on Kentucky Lake could rise as much as eight feet above summer pool. (3-3) -
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new EURO looks pumped and north.........? -
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they are going to do step 1 today..the most common...open Bonnet Carré Spillway above New orleans step two would be to divert flow at Red river landing above Baton Rouge ..The red river..( the one in Tx and Ok) used to flow into the MS river at that point....but now is diverted south into the Gulf...since the MS river is at a higher elevation they can divert alot of water there... the third and most extreme is to blow the levee on the west bank right below Cairo IL...this floods much of the low lying area of the boothill of MO..they only have done this 2 times..last in 2011..and i think once in the 1930's..it can only be used once a season as the bowl will fill up also see this article they said 1.250 million cfs per second is the flow that triggers step one..way down south as of right now a huge 478,000 cfs is coming out of Barkley (cumberland)and Kentucky Lake(TN basin) alone..the lakes are rising well above summers pools becasue inflow is still higher...Barkley is releasing 136,000 cfs into the OH/MS Cumberland is 59,000 of that.. in a perfect would Cumberland would be releasing ZERO..and Barkley and Kentucky much lower NEW ORLEANS (WWL-TV) — For the third time in four years the Bonnet Carré Spillway will be opened Wednesday to the projected flow of water down the Mississippi River, according to the Army Corps of Engineers. According to the Corps of Engineers web site, this will be the first time that the spillway has been opened in consecutive years. The Corps anticipates opening approximately 38 bays Wednesday, possibly increasing it to 200 bays over time. The Spillway is used to divert water flow from the Mississippi River and send it toward Lake Pontchartrain when the water flow gets too high. Boyett says that projected flows indicate an opening in the middle of next week, likely Thursday, February 28. The ‘trigger’ for an opening is a projected river flow of 1.25 million cubic feet per second, which is what the New Orleans river levees are designed to handle. Anything above that level means the spillway is opened. The spillway has opened several times in recent years, including: 2008, 2011, 2016 and 2018. https://www.klfy.com/news/louisiana/update-corps-to-open-bonnet-carre-spillway-wednesday/1808660331 -
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Cumberland at 5am 756.26 down .26 (or .01/hr) past 24 hours the OHIO and Mississippi rivers are now moderate to major flooding in many places...on the lower MS..may not crest for weeks... that is without any more rain factored in.. the NWS flood forecast for the mid MS river came out yesterday....lots of snow in the upper basin..soil moisture and stream flow high..major flooding likley going to be trouble for a long time now there are 3 steps they will take to lower impacts if they have to protect places like New Orleans and Baton Rouge but more on those later got to get these lake levels down ASAP.. need a drought .the incoming rain won't help -
TN valley heavy rain/flooding week of whenever
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I hope you get your snow..but your area obviously doesn't need the precip this 10 day period is the "dry" time ... models hint at a wetter SW flow returning in the 10-12 day range -
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sounds like that are going to keep the flow at 58,700 for at least two weeks Phil Pendleton Verified account @philtvnews 17m17 minutes ago More Cumberland County Emergency Mgt. Director says they’ve having to take supplies to some folks by boat who are trapped in their homes because the rising Cumberland River. And it will be that way for 2 weeks because of the water being taken out of Lake Cumberland. More at 4-6 @WKYT ------------ example of the issue: if the lake drops and average of .06 an hour for 2 weeks that only about 736 feet (-20 feet) -
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TN river tributary reservoirs total storage ..above summer pool https://lakeinfo.tva.gov/htbin/genplots?guidecurve+79 -
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just skimmed over them..thanks...will review more later I did see that the old outflow record in 1974 was when the lake wasn't that high...perhaps they had different rules back then and never let the lake get as high as today? I know on lake Travis (austin tx), last fall there was a a huge flood....many people on local forums complained that they let the lake get to high in the summer for recreational use these days..... -
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WKYM 101.7 @wkym1017 2m2 minutes ago More The level of Lake Cumberland peaked at 756.52 feet above sea level this morning. That’s about five feet above the previous high level set in 1984. The US Army Corps of Engineers continues its record setting release of water through the dam at 58,740 CF per second. 0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes Reply Retweet Like -
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yes as far as I know..... the Corps have a poor history of being honest about the dangers of the Dam....this is why some people question them muddy water near the power plant was a major concern in the past because that was a sign of seepage.....hopefully all the muddy water i pointed out the other day was just from the bank eroding in a you tube video(see below) it said concerns in the past included muddy water in the tailwater, sinkholes near the power plant, a wet stop on the opposite end of the earth part (way down from the dam, and river bank being unstable (not sure what that means) The had a similar issue at center hill dam too which they recently repaired 'Unprecedented' water levels at Lake Cumberland raise residents' fears the dam will fail eavy rains and flooding that have pushed Kentucky’s Lake Cumberland water levels to a record high are creating the biggest test yet for a dam that was considered highly vulnerable to failure before a $594 million repair was completed five years ago. The rain-swollen lake on Monday forced the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to release a record 58,730 cubic feet of water per second from the Wolf Creek Dam, causing some flooding along the Cumberland River in low-lying areas downstream. So far the dam shows no signs of problems, said Corps spokesman Bill Peoples Residents worry because in 2007, the Corps lowered water levels in Lake Cumberland amid fears that a weakened Wolf Creek Dam might fail and cause perilous flooding as far away as Nashville. The nearly mile-long earthen dam, built atop cavern- and fissure-riddled limestone, was shored up during seven years of construction. “These lake levels are unprecedented,” Peoples said. “We’re confident that barrier wall is doing the job it was designed to do.” https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2019/02/26/kentucky-lake-cumberland-high-water-levels-from-flooding-rain/2983258002/ go to 1:22 mark here to see problem areas -
TN valley heavy rain/flooding week of whenever
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looks like we have a crest of 756.51 or so at Cumberland Clay Philpot 6 hrs · Edited Tony Wright I just found a video someone took today and paused it for a screen grab. Looks like they are making good progress. -
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facebook video on the ground yesterday... Darrell Littrell was live. on Sunday · Wolf Creek Dam. 60,000 cubic feet per sec of water being released. They're hauling Rock and boulders the water is up so high that it's washing the bank out where the electric Transformers are confirmed bringing in truck after truck of gravel and boulders building a wall -
TN valley heavy rain/flooding week of whenever
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looks like a crest in the next few hours another pic of the river bank .....from a distance.....see all that white stuff near the transmission tower....gravel? sandbags? tarp?.also is the other pine tree gone? https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=lake cumberand&src=typd edit: another picture has one of those non-pine trees laying on its side and a tractor putting rocks down so it seems they are tearing out all the trees and putting rocks down -
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take an hour ago Got to look fast but it looks like they have continued to shore up that bank...looks like more gravel is down and maybe a barrier? lots of gravel now hard to tell se 11 sec mark there is still muddy water coming off of it looks like -
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the NWS river gauge is still updating.. still .04 or .05 per hr from 11:45z to 15:45z.. https://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph_to_xml.php?gage=wlck2&output=tabular I'm not sure why this gauge is about 2/3 of a foot lower then TVA and Corps page... I have seen this lower report on several media/ social sites at times..the higher number seems to be the correct one in mentioned the PR's edit: 11am updated 756.26 inflow 81,000..otflow creeping up about 100cfs an now record 58,640 -
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for some reason its not updating the Wolf Creek numbers.. but using the 6am number 756.07 time for more math... here is how dire the long term flood storage is... lets assume they keep the outflow at 58,000 for two weeks...will they? can they? lets assume inflow average 15,000 (likley higher) the difference is 43,000 divide that by that 7400 number it a fall of .056 per hour 1.34 feet a day in this unrealistic best case scenario the lake won't be back down to 740 until 12 days from now...Sat Mar 9th -
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Have you seen any info about what is going on there? any talk on facebook? I did see a pic that they have that area taped of with caution tape now..with a guard any new pics today might give more clues another interesting thing is that they turned the power plant back on (was zero outflow for days) and lowered the spillway outflow yesterday...any flow out of the power plant is less turbulent..but what were they seeing to lower the spillway outflow all of a sudden? also the tailwater is now high from the channel getting backed up, and getting higher( although is seems to be leveling out) .. higher tailwater=more erosion at what level does it flood the power plant?...same issues at Oroville when all the debris in the channel and increased flows backed the water up, almost lost power plant..lots of sandbagging and pumping http://riverstatus.usace.army.mil/group/LRN/Lakes/WLCK2-WOLF_CREEK