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-53F at IND on 1/20/1985 (temp -22, sustained wind 23 mph) but I've only checked a couple of the notorious cold dates so far.
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Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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I think that one had a very limited area of EF4 damage. I want to say only one structure but not sure. -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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Hard to believe it will be 1 year. I think we knew that it was serious based on the initial reports but I never imagined it would be as bad as it was. -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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Not that my opinion matters as much as Dr. Forbes' but I agree with that assessment. Tri-State is in a class by itself and then there are some interchangeable ones farther down the list. I think one could actually make a case that Joplin is #2 but it comes down to how heavily one weights the number of fatalities in years past. Given relatively similar damages when adjusted for inflation, are the 255 St Louis deaths of 1896 more impressive than the ~160 Joplin deaths? -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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Went back and looked at some stuff and came across the 00z SGF sounding. Pretty impressive -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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Yeah you just beat me to it -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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I guess you can never fully anticipate an EF5 making a direct hit on a heavily populated area but I think we knew the tornado risk was nonzero even though most of the attention wasn't on that area. I think SPC had a 5% chance there but I'd have to double check that. It was a very bad sign when they were already reporting like 25 deaths right after it happened. -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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Here's the storm data entry for the tornado: EVENT NARRATIVE: National Weather Service survey teams rated the tornado that tracked across the southwest through east central portion of Joplin, Missouri, as an EF5 tornado. Maximum winds were estimated to have exceeded 200 miles per hour. The tornado had a maximum width of one mile and an overall path length of nearly 21.6 miles, nearly nine miles of which occurred in Jasper County. The tornado killed 159 directly, three indirectly, and injured over 1150 people. Sadly, on May 24 a police officer who was volunteering from another department, was struck by lightning while serving in the response efforts and later died. Over 10,200 people filed for disaster assistance following the tornado. The EF-5 rating (greater than 200 mph wind speeds) was mainly arrived at by the total destruction of vehicles, including some vehicles tossed several blocks and semi trucks thrown a quarter of a mile. Parking stops weighing over 300 pounds and re-barred into asphalt were uprooted and tossed. Other factors in the rating included damage to reinforced concrete structures, and that St. Johnbs Hospital building structure was compromised. Seven thousand homes were severely damaged or destroyed and another 900 damaged. Other substantial buildings damaged or destroyed included the Joplin High School and Technical Center along with five other city schools. Numerous retailers including Home Depot, Sports Academy, Dillons, and Walmart were also destroyed. The most substantial building impacted was St John's hospital which will be razed due to the tornado. It was calculated that 2 million cubic yards of debris is attributable to the storm across its relatively short length on the ground. The tornado initially touched down one half mile southwest of the intersection of JJ Highway and Newton Road in Newton County where several large trees were toppled. The tornado rapidly intensified as it moved toward the intersection of Country Club Drive and 32nd Street where it crossed into Jasper County. Damage became more widespread as the tornado crossed Maiden Lane, breaking nearly all windows on three sides of St. Johns Hospital as well as damage to the roof and exterior walls on several floors. Two patients on oxygen were indirectly suffocated when the generator and a backup generator were damaged after power was cut off. Three additional patients may have succumbed similarly though sufficient data as to the cause of death was not available. An additional indirect fatality occurred due to psychological trauma. The tornado further intensified as it destroyed homes and businesses to the immediate east and north of the hospital. A church school was completely destroyed with the exception of a portion of the sanctuary. Significant damage to the Greenbriar Nursing Home resulted in the death of 20 mostly elderly patients. The tornado continued to destroy hundreds of frame homes between 32nd and 20th Streets, leading to nearly a fifth of the deaths. Three story apartment complexes had the top two floors removed; other two story complexes were partially leveled. Fourteen deaths occurred in apartments along the track. Eleven additional deaths occurred in churches along this path. There were two fatalities in a mobile home (Joplin has a city ordinance prohibiting mobile home parks). Well built structures that were heavily damaged or destroyed along this area included the Joplin High School, Franklin Technical Center and Irving Elementary, all of which were free of students due to the weekend. The tornado also damaged three additional elementary schools. A bank was totally destroyed with the exception of the vault. A large grocery store was also destroyed. The tornado crossed Rangeline Road near 20th Street. Damage included significant to complete damage to several restaurants and large long-span retail buildings; including Home Depot, Sports Academy and Walmart in this area. Twenty deaths occurred indoors or in the parking lots of these structures. Semi trucks on the back side of Walmart were thrown more than a quarter mile. The tornado continued to move eastward along and south of 20th Street destroying numerous warehouse style facilities, a portion of Joplin East Middle School, and residences through Duquesne Road. The tornado continued destroying numerous homes as it began weakening. It turned southeast toward Interstate 44 where it threw several semi trucks as it crossed the interstate and moved into Newton County at 32nd Street just west of Kodiak Road. EPISODE NARRATIVE: A strong upper level trough across the central plains region and a strong upper level disturbance along with a frontal boundary in the area produced numerous severe storms with a few supercells across southeast Kansas. One cyclic supercell associated with the system produced a very large and deadly EF-5 tornado that hit the city of Joplin and then spawned two separate tornadoes that moved across southwestern Missouri. A separate tornadic supercell produced an EF-3 tornado that moved into McDonald County from Northeastern Oklahoma. Continuing thunderstorms lasted into July 23 as another line of thunderstorms moved across the region. This line of storms produced reports of large hail, damaging winds and a weak EF-0 tornado in south central Missouri. As the storms moved over the Joplin area, two police officers were struck by lightning while aiding in the post tornado efforts. One of the two officers later died of injuries from the lightning strike. -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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Yeah, I bet there are even more examples. -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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Statistically unlikely of course, but for anyone who thinks it can't happen again in their lifetimes, look no further back than Moore, OK which was struck by violent tornadoes 4 years apart. -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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I'm no expert on cell phones but I wonder if a mass texting could cause overload issues (especially in highly populated areas) and cause some to not obtain the warning in a timely fashion. Obviously the system can get overloaded with a ton of people making calls at the same time but not sure about texts. -
Damn east trend. Quit stealing all the action.
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Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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My sister was at the Indy 500 and the couple sitting in back of her were from Joplin. They were not hit by the tornado but they lost 2 of their friends. I'm sure this event touches almost everyone in Joplin one way or another. -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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That is really sad. It's one thing when it's somewhere else but when it's your town that experiences such destruction and loss of life...I can't imagine. I'm sure it will be a long time before there is any sense of normalcy, and obviously things will never be the same for many. There's not much to feel good about but you can feel proud about how you come back. -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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I think we have to be careful to not box ourselves in with what we think we know about wind speeds. -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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Geez. Easy to see how one can become disoriented after a major tornado like this. -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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"Death Alley" is largely displaced from the Plains tornado alley due to a number of factors -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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This tornado is on the verge of becoming the 7th deadliest in US history. http://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/killers.html -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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Turns out that report about the receipt being blown over 500 miles isn't true: http://blogs.wlfi.com/2011/05/27/new-receipt-not-from-tornado/ -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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http://www.wthr.com/story/14741054/joplin-receipt-turns-up-in-indiana -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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Thanks for sharing your account, JoMo. Forgive me if this sounds dumb but since almost none of us have been that close to a violent tornado, just wondering if you experienced any weird sensations like ear popping or anything else. -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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Great to hear from you man! -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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There are folks with the same surname (assuming it's correct) located in other parts of Joplin. Unclear whether they are all related though. -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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Death toll up to 118 -
Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri
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That might be true in general but I think it really depends on where it hits. The next violent wedge around Dallas, Indianapolis, Chicago, etc. is gonna put anything we've seen this year to the test.