There's a lot of Stockholm syndrome going on in the long range thread. We just subconsciously punt 30% of winter now by default, which leaves us maybe 4 or 5 weeks before the sun angle becomes a problem. This isn't a winning strategy in these parts anymore. I genuinely have tried to be optimistic this year, but it's clear we're in a world of hurt unless things change right quick. Each day that passes the clock ticks louder and louder as the snowfall futility markers inch closer.