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WPO was extremely positive in 2022-23. Looks very negative on the Canadian. Models are garbage at this range. But the WPO was very positive in 2022 in October. Doesn't look like it will be very positive this month. Almost impossible to get record heat in CA/NV in Fall or Spring when the WPO is positive.

I don't know why you're so adamant about this. My point for months has been that the North Pacific would look different than prior years, and the models do show that. Look at Oct 2021, which +1.7 for the index. https://psl.noaa.gov/data/correlation/wp.data You're supposed to have low pressure north of high pressure in the NW Pacific for a +WPO. Now look at the forecast. You have generalized high pressure everywhere. Again, it's 25-40N v. 50-70N. If you smooth out the reds, there isn't much of a difference between the two, which means the index isn't going to be positive. It's nothing like 2021 or 2022 if the forecast is anywhere near right.

I don't think the WPO is going to show up positively on the index in October. The type of huge heat we're forecast to see in the West in October is antithetical to +WPO conditions in Fall/Spring. From what I can see there are also three major problems with 2022-23: - It rapidly collapsed into an El Nino in Feb-Apr 2023. Not looking likely with this event. - It was much weaker than the prior two La Ninas. Y/Y warming in Nino 3.4 favors Western cold. There are exceptions after two El Ninos in a row (1959/1978/1988/2016/2020) but it does generally hold up. We have massive y/y cooling. - MJO/harmonics timing features are off on everything. ITCZ placement, monsoon development, hurricane activity timing - all the stuff triggered by waves from the tropics is off a bit. 2022 was pretty active for Atlantic hurricanes in September, and it had a very strong monsoon in MX and the SW US as a few examples. Getting MJO phase 5 or whatever 30-days off from 2022 would be a different pattern. In a more mechanical sense the SST profile is much colder in the MJO 4-6 zones, North Atlantic, North Pacific, and tropical Atlantic. On the flip side, the La Nina development is way behind. With the tropical Atlantic and Indonesian waters colder, I'd also imagine the RONI effect is diminished since it is subtracting out global tropical heat content as a global warming signal.

Honestly the WPO definition is 50-70N minus 25-40N for 140E-150W. It doesn't look negative for October but what the CFS shows is neutral. You have a mix of strong heights and neutral heights in the north and then consistently low heights to the south. I'm still expecting a mixed bag of WPO conditions in the winter. I don't think its very likely we see the Feb/Mar 2023 type of WPO without a transition to an El Nino. So my guess would be +/= WPO early in winter then =/- later on.

The low Atlantic ACE thing in a September La Nina (it tends to be around 60) is interesting to look at. I know you all like 2022. But we had major cold waves in the West in November. Don't really expect that this year. But I do see evidence for a lot of cold days again (relatively) for a La Nina locally with ACE remaining low. This is mostly because our dew points have been consistently running much lower than in 2022 so lows should get very cold at times. If you notice six of the nine the inactive Septembers for Atlantic ACE in La Ninas tend to follow El Ninos (1983, 1970, 1973, 2016 2007, 1954). You can see that Jan/Feb are the most likely months to see a lot of cold days in a low Sept ACE / 70-130 ACE type hurricane season. September ACE has fairly weak correlations to monthly highs in La Nina here. But it does correlate somewhat strongly with January (r-squared is about 0.3). It's actually been quite a while since we've had a La Nina with an inactive September. In 2022, September was pretty active. October actually looks pretty different from 2022 anyway. It's going to be pretty warm down here if you buy into the models in October. In 2022 it was warmest in the Northwest not the Southwest. The cool/average spot shown on the CFS is also fairly off from 2022 when it was chilly in the South.

Atlantic still has a long way to go to be anywhere near average for ACE. We're running more than 20% below average still and that's after a very fast start. The season after Beryl has been extremely inactive. It's Beryl and then less than 40 ACE otherwise. Isaac & Joyce will both die Sunday/Monday. Neither is going to add very much ACE in the short term. The formula is sustained winds in knots squared measured every six hours (UTC time) divided by 10,000. You're looking at 3-5 ACE per day for another two days or so from those storms. At that point we're around 80 ACE with 94 as average through 9/30. It doesn't look like there is anything that will be strong enough imminently to bump up ACE quick after Isaac dies. So entering October we probably start to fall behind relative to average again. Early October still sees ACE go up by 1 point or so per day. October averages 20-25 ACE so even in a bit of a dead season you should see some tropical activity. My general rule is September + 60 ACE is a pretty safe ceiling. It's very rare to get anywhere near 60 ACE in Oct-Nov. So we're almost certainly looking at 80-140 for the season. Still think we could finish as low as 90 ACE but 100-110 is probably a better bet now. Since 1850 (170+ years) it's like seven hurricane seasons with 60+ ACE for Oct-Nov. Even for the 1991-2020 period which is mostly the warmed up, warm AMO, it's still only 2005, 2016, 2020 (3/30 years) or 10%. The 2016 season had Matthew (cat 5) and Nicole (cat 4) form in late Sept/early Oct and carry on for a while after an inactive start. Matthew was a 4/5 in October for like five days which is nuts. That's probably the best case for those of you who want the hyperactive ACE totals. But I don't expect to see multiple long-duration cat 4+ storms in early October this year.

He's just using the SST matching tool from Tropical Tidbits but this is similar overall to my thoughts on the winter. Haven't written my forecast yet though. I do think the Atlantic ridging will setup somewhat west of where he shows it though. https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/hsanalog/ I don't like 2017 as an analog - it's the most active September hurricane season since 1850, with low solar and weakly positive PDO conditions. The other years are high solar, and less active hurricane seasons with more -PDO conditions. ACE has to be 50% above normal for the rest of the season to catch up to normal. My rule is ~95%+ of seasons will finish between June-Sept and June-Sept + 60 ACE. To me it's about 50/50 that we'll hit 90 ACE.

Must be a wonderful life you have, with all of your time on the internet spent telling people they are wrong. After all, everyone loves being told they are wrong and stupid all the time.

The seasonal models are dumpster fires for winter forecasts at this range. I haven't even really tested the 2013-14, 2021-22 blend yet. It just looks like the SST pattern and seems to have some matching tendencies to recent US conditions. But I haven't subjected the various blends I'm looking at to rigorous testing yet.

It's always amusing how no matter what I say on here the most extreme warm/cold case is what people latch onto. When I talk about 2013-14, it's only as a blend with 2021-22 that I'm interested in it. I don't expect the winter to be very much like 2013-14 by itself. The bulge in warmth isn't quite south of Alaska, it's to the West by the dateline which probably favors more cold Plains than Midwest. Look at the blend. That's fairly close to what I expect at 500 mb, although I reserve the right to change my mind by the time I put out my forecast.

Least active September hurricane seasons are an interesting group if we hold on. Especially in direct opposition to years like 2017 which saw extraordinary activity in September. Arizona should see quite a bit of rain with Ilena once it dies. Don't think we'll get much at all here.

I don't like 2007-08 much as an analog but this is what snow looks like.

Still waiting on how hurricane season plays out in the Atlantic. But the SST configuration from the Canadian looks a lot like a simple blend of 2013-14 and 2021-22 to me. That gets you to ~90 ACE for the season which looks like a decent guess at the moment. August was almost identical. Kind of toying with 2013-14, 2021-22 and then some maybe minor input from 1966, 1970, 2001, 2008, 2020, 2022. I'm tempted to do something like this but I still need to play with the weighting. I am planning to have my outlook by 10/10. 2013-14 x4 2021-22 x3 2022-23 x2 1966-67 x2 1970-71 2001-02 2008-09 2020-21