This! @pasnownut you're not being a deb, you're using logic and being realistic. And frankly I'm glad to read it. You might not "like" posting the way you are right now, but you're posting truth. It's just as foolish to post positive thoughts when the pattern doesn't support it as it is to be negative when the pattern does support it. People that are negative are made to feel like crap at times when the fact is...if the pattern sucks they're going to be (and have been) right.
Bubbler...you could not have said it better.