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Eclipse over LI Sound

what the outlook for sky conditions for the eclipse at sunrise tomorrow?

94 /73 /HI 104

Plants look like they are struggling, despite ydays downpour.

nearby Micronet says 96/69 HI 102

9 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Ocean lagging behind despite how warm the spring has been.  I'd expect the ocean to be closer to 70 right now but it's stuck in the low 60s brrrr.

 

I think 70 ocean temp is a stretch for early June. Wanna be done with any 50s by now, but 60s slowly climbing toward 70 is ok, with 70s thru July to the Aug peaks.

86 /75, some drizzle here with lighting looking north. severe t storm warning, but it look to barely miss just north, about to slam Bx/Yonkers border now

hazy sun, 82 /73 after low of 77

Did LGA, NYC etc.. set record high mins?

Holding steady at 96. Looking toward the Van Nest/Tremont micronet is which is 97.  That con ed plant is LGA minus the water. I always thought walking up Bronxdale to Morris Park was espically brutal, I see why now lol

Up to 94 at noon. Riding my bike around its more of a sea breeze than yday so its still quite warm but tolerable in spots close to the Sound..but only within a mile or so, then its back to the furnace

19 minutes ago, mjr said:

NYC was doing ok up to 2pm, generally keeping up with most other stations. No appreciable effect of the rain yesterday. 

Then, all of a sudden, it basically flatlines while other locations add 2-4 degrees more. This happens very frequently even with no sea breeze. It cannot take advantage of mid or late afternoon temperature increases. It seems likely that it because of deprivation of sun after about 2pm. 

Yup always does that. Sometimes it jump up again late afternoon as the sun clears the trees, but varies with the changing sun angle during summer. 

Every mesonet, micronet in and near NYC was low to mid 90s. They are not all perfect, but with 90s so widespread its ridiculous the Park cant manage to touch 90. 

Mostly sunny, hazy 93/ 65 

11 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

It's been saying it for multiple days.... LETS DO IT.

If we're going to be hot it might as well be historic.

We haven't had a 100 degree day in June in a few decades.

 

For what its worth, LGA did a few years ago. 2017 I believe. I was working outside that day a bike event, until they canceled after a few people passed out.

1 hour ago, SnowGoose69 said:

I think the 51 at Central Park might survive.  Pretty good gap in the rain coming and this time of year it doesn’t take much even with a north to northeast CAA setup to get 3-4-5 degrees if you see the ceilings come up to 2-3,000 feet mid afternoon 

I guess thats a tough record to break from the 1880s. I think many other places are still in line to see records fall. We'd have to get upper 50s, to low 60s at LGA, JFK, EWR etc.

18 hours ago, bluewave said:

Wind direction is everything in the NY Bight. This is especially true when our biggest airports are right on the water. The 22nd was an extremely dry offshore flow heat event. So both EWR and JFK were located in the warmest zones. Also notice how the NW flow off the East River kept LGA cooler than both the Astoria and Corona new micronet stations. The ASOS at LGA is in the extreme NW corner of the airport near the water. The JFK ASOS is located in a marshy area in the eastern edge of the airport. Not far from North Woodmere in the five towns section of Long Island. Since the sea breeze was so strong yesterday east of NYC, EWR and the new fresh kills station were the warmest in the region. All the Newark Bay Breeze days last few summers allowed LGA to beat EWR on numerous occasions. 

5-26 maximum temperatures 

EWR…..94

Fresh Kills….92

Astoria……….87

Corona………86

LGA….86

Brownsville…..81

South Ozone Park…79

JFK…75

 

5-22

EWR…..96

JFK…….94

Brownsville….94

South Ozone Park….93

Corona……..92

Astoria……..91

Fresh Kills….91

LGA…..88

Thanks, I forgot there was a micronet network in addition to the mesonet network. There is even more it seems, maybe for internal use only, because over the last couple yrs I've seen these little mini weather stations popping up all over, mainly on utility poles. I've seen Con Ed trucks putting up radiation shields etc, I was wondering what is going on. Professional climate stations are great, but it's also interesting to see actual conditions you experience in the middle of the street, and little micro climates as well.

19 hours ago, uncle W said:

late may 1961 and 1967 had a day with highs in the mid 40's with rain...LGA recorded ice pellets on 5/27/61...thats hard to believe...

I believe that was hail. There's a few of those in the climate record in late May.  Last yr when we had a trace snow on May 9th, tying latest ever in the Park, some media outlets mistakenly reported a trace of snow previously happening in late May, which they ended up having to correct soon after. NWS need to fix that. Looking at the high/lows on some of those days its clear it was hail from t-storm.

4 hours ago, jfklganyc said:

There is more a play here though. Our minimums have been increasingly warm,  but haven’t had the extreme upper 90s/low 100s that we used to have. The obvious answer is that moist air cools and heats slower.

 

People on here like to pick on the Central Park reading three months of the year for temps, 3 months a year for snow, and ignore the problems for the other 6 months...But I would be curious to know if a densely forested park in the middle of an urban heat Island is experiencing this phenomenon to a greater degree.

The airports are easy; particularly LaGuardia and Newark...They are slabs of cement in densely populated areas. JFK is much larger, has much more open space with grass, is in a national park, and is abeam the Atlantic Ocean.

But I wonder if there is more to this than ASOS placement. Has anyone actually visited the ASOS recently and seen the conditions around it?

 

 

 

 

For a good chunk of spring CPK isnt fully leafed out yet, so the temp disparity doesn't show as much yet compared to nearby urban stations. Also in spring the Park is a little more protected from the frequent cool E/NE  flow, keeping LGA cooler on some days. As that influence gets weaker later on, back door fronts less common, and the vegetation gets lush the Park's cool bias starts on cue.

I wish I could find the article, but the NWS has already acknowledged this phenomenon is legitimate 10 yrs ago or so. They basically just accept it as is for a few reasons...

1. Technically KNYC is accurate for what it is, a dense semi forested park, and its readings accuratly reflect that. (Kinda putting the onus on the consumer to recognize a park for what it is vs an urbanized street and analyze accordingly.)

2. Its historical significance. Its one of the longest running climate stations, and in America's biggest city. They dont want to mess with it. So its just grandfathered in to the climate data despite falling short of their own offical standards.

3. There are plenty of offical weather stations around it to reflect the local urban climate. (Kind of putting it at the medias feet to use all available data to portray an accurate picture to the public.) In fact the closest offical reporting station for many/most NYC residents isnt KNYC, but LGA or JFK...all of Queens, the BX and portions of BK would fall into that.

The ASOS is not that far from Museum of Natural History. Its fenced in, surrounded by trees, last I saw some now hang over the top as well. In wetter patterns weeds and shrubs will be overgrown near-by too. The trees do help shield it from the public which the NWS probably likes.

Reached 92 in a bone dry backyard

Feeling like a summer night, minus humidity, holding that warmth..steady temp at 77

1 hour ago, qg_omega said:

Thought it was going to be near 80 and sunny but it’s cloudy with showers

Yeah i know right. These well advertised very warm days have been kind of duds, and not just at the expected immediate coast. I mean it wasnt forecast to be wall to wall sun, but extended period of cool, overcast, windy, drizzle conditions I didn't expect.

On the flip side we have escaped those extreme stretches of back door purgatory this spring, so not bad overall.

Reach 82 briefly.  Wild temp swings. Went from upper 60s to low 80s in an hr than back to 70 the next hr. While technically 80s (for 15 mins or so) the day felt far from one of the warmest thus far.

5 minutes ago, uofmiami said:

82 at 3pm for LGA, that didn't last long.

Yeah I rapidly shot up at the same time to 81. Its a thin line though, based on driving around a min ago its dramatically cooler once you get close to the Hutch pkwy. Still nice if you can forget about all the fanfare of a summer like day.

Central Park 77, LGA was 67

NWS forecast was 88 here. We'll see. It's 67 with nearly calm wind to an occasional light NE breeze. The Park is 72 though. This is the time of yr when sometimes they can actually be the city's warm spot. East of Manhattan it looks like a struggle. 

mostly sunny and 71

8 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

I guess my allergies are a result of something else then, I always find the rain and high humidity makes my allergies intolerable, so dry and rainless is perfect for me.

Maybe mold spores for you

10 hours ago, weatherpruf said:

it is the worst allergy season I have ever had.....and it started extremely early. Pollen counts in NJ are HIGH. I'm on THREE different, no FOUR allergy medicines. 

Yeah its pretty bad this year. Alot of sunny, mild, windy days. Up until now, havent had alot of those extended cool gloomy back door purgatory pattens, which suck but help with tree pollen at least.