PhineasC

I am a permanent irritant. Like glitter.

Just give people the ability to make personal choices. You seem kinda gleeful at the thought of some dumb redneck getting the virus and dying to prove your point, which is gross, but you do you.

Unless there is a treatment or vaccine, the numbers are what they are if you don't want a total lockdown Wuhan-style (which some do want).

There is a reason even stubborn lockdown governors like Hogan are no longer using daily case counts to drive policy. That data is almost totally driven up and down by testing rates. But I keep seeing people trying to use those numbers to find trends.

Or testing is expanding across states as more sites come online...

In Denmark they are assuming a very wide dispersal of antibodies. That's kind of a key point. If you don't believe studies showing 50 times or more people have the virus than the official counts, I could see why you'd think official case counts could be indicative of "slowing the spread."

It hasn't given us leniency at all. What I am saying is that the things you are mentioning that worked in New Zealand and Korea will never happen here. Our geography alone means we can't be like them. The honest truth is we will just accept the extra deaths in the nursing homes versus being locked down tight indefinitely. There is a whole field of study around "quality-adjusted life years" (QALY) and that analysis says this virus hasn't been that big of a deal. I know you will say that means I lack empathy and want granny to die, so you don't need to post it.

yeah total lockdowns work if we all stay home for 2 years until there is a vaccine. We can also eliminate most skin cancer deaths if we live underground. Good stuff.

You can pay the price now or drag it out for 24 months.

We did things that were completely unprecedented in this nation. We are not New Zealand or South Korea so looking at them is utterly pointless.

We will pay the same price as Sweden with a second wave that they will avoid because they have herd immunity.

Three weeks is a little long. I think most show symptoms in 5-8 days. There are outlier stories of 20 days for some.

Have we really seen any clear-cut examples of these supposedly super risky behaviors like being at a beach, in a park, or standing in line to vote leading to huge outbreaks? This sure is a persistent narrative, though. It seems like walking the aisles of Whole Foods is just as risky...

More testing, most likely.

Any increase in case totals could just be from more testing. That's why it's a terrible metric for making policy decisions. Hospitalizations is about the best we have right now.

Are you being facetious? From what I read, there has been no spike related to the election.

As people start seeing their fellow Americans going out and being fine, these numbers will shift further. There is still an enormous amount of fear out there about this virus, but Americans will be moved by a herd mentality once a critical mass of states open and people get out there. Could take until early-June when the weather is hot everywhere.

Pretty crazy findings from Iran (yes, I know) that point to a very low IFR (flu territory) and wide spread for COVID-19. If we believe the China numbers (I don’t, but I think some people do), then I think this is at least worth a look. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.26.20079244v1

Oh, get a grip. I'll leave again since clearly you guys can't handle anything but mappy lecturing you on bad math. Back to echo mode.

This is some hilarious spin, but OK.

The term "equivalent" here is totally nuts.

LOL WTF does this even mean: What is an "equivalent"? ARDS or flu? These numbers seem totally bogus.

I would hope those aren't being counted if they aren't COVID or even probable COVID! I am not seeing where NYC isn't including these probables in the national death counts. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

I don't see these numbers being separated when rolled into the national numbers that feed the models being used to justify the lockdowns.

I wonder how many people are confused as to the difference between "death with COVID" and "death from COVID"? Probably quite a few people.