PhineasC

I’m in FL dude

Glad we moved on from a shitty topic to talk about actual shit.

That pic is kinda close but needs more skinny meth/opioid look.

I have a heavily-armed local from Berlin guarding the place.

@jculligan

I do miss Seinfeld.

Probably a FL condo... it's too damn hot down here already and it's only getting hotter. I can't handle the climate down here too well.

I don’t think my wife has any desire to see snow until next November. I am tracking it all the same. This FL trip is my apology for making her spend the winter in Randolph.

Yeah, the world is super great right now. Enjoy it man. Don’t worry about me in my various houses worrying about things. Enjoy what you have out there. I am just a crazy person.

Hopefully the willfully ignorant wake up soon. The Branch Covidians will not give up their new religion easily. So much resistance and defensiveness just in this thread.

No idea. We are not anti-vaccine. We get the flu vaccine every year. I suspect many here yapping about the COVID vaccine don’t even get the flu vaccine.

LOL that’s fine. No need to get defensive. I’m sure you guys did a great job with the jab and all is well.

It’s actually a very good thing if young people all get very mild COVID and then recover. That’s how you break the back of the pandemic (with vaccinations too for the older adults).

No way many parents are going to inject their kids with an EUA vaccine for a disease that doesn’t even affect them. Adults can get vaccinated and be safe without needing kids to get the vaccine.

This same logic can be used to argue kids and young adults don’t need to worry about COVID either, BTW.

Clearly more than six people have had blood clot issues. Six people were so bad off that they ended up in the hospital over it. That’s all we know right now. Selection bias. This same error was made when politicians tried to calculate the hospitalization rates in the early days of COVID. It’s why Cuomo said he needed 40k ventilators and entire new hospitals to be built.

Subjects in trials report their symptoms and status regularly. Random people getting the shot now only show up in the data after they are near death in the hospital. Selection bias.

That's fine, I just don't really get the logic that because it was only 6 reported cases out of x million doses it would have therefore never been possible to find this issue in a full trial. That seems like a random guess on your part, IMO. In a full trial, they may have found many minor cases of blood clots that didn't require hospitalization but were still caught because the subjects were under observation. They have no one under observation after getting the shot. This is all being driven by selection-bias now in terms of who gets so bad they show back up to the hospital. You have zero clue how many people are suffering at home with vaccine side effects right now.

Probably many other people had minor blood clot issues and did not seek medical care over it. I doubt it was literally ONLY 6 people who had this issue and no one else. People always seem to forget selection bias when it comes to COVID. Whatever.

Then why not just test all drugs for six weeks and blast them out there? Why even have a full auth process at all? I'm sure all the major side effects show up in the six week period. Just call it quits after that.

I don't think we even disagree. I agree with you that the FDA will have this back on the market in a couple weeks, at most. Side effects happen when you take a vaccine and immediately start administering it to the entire world at rapid (warp) speed. I'm just trying to explain to you all how this fits in the thinking from those who are waiting to get the vaccine because they are very low risk. By all means, the rest of you keep on getting jabs in arms. I encourage anyone who is even slightly worried about COVID to get as many jabs in their arms as possible.

Yes, but those side effects are already known to doctors, hence being in the commercial. This vaccine is not being marketed as "possibly causes deadly blood clots in women," is it?

Damage to fertility might not be seen for years if the subject is not trying to have children until that time. Fertility issues and drugs/vaccines is always a concern in the back of my head. So many people have fertility issues now already. Women who want to become pregnant some day should really weigh the risk/reward here, IMO. No clue why 6 women had deadly blood clots or why the AstraZeneca vaccine was pulled from most of Europe due to blood clots either. This is why vaccines are tested for years before full approval. It's why many people are waiting. If you have a rare reaction to the vaccine, it is good to know the doctors have seen it before and can treat it.

It would have probably only taken one person to get the blood clots while under observation to then give doctors more time to develop therapies to treat it. Tylenol has been around for decades and doctors understand how to treat issues that arise from it. These types of side effects are, of course, unavoidable for a massive, rapid, worldwide vaccine rollout such as this, but the rushed nature of it for a disease that is usually very mild for everyone under 65 years old is going to exacerbate every little issue like this. Some media and political figures have tried to assert that receiving this vaccine is as simple as using mouthwash in the morning and therefore there is "no excuse" for every healthy man, woman, and child to not run right out and get jabbed with the emergency use vaccine ASAP. I really hope there are no fertility or immune issues for people 5-10 years down the line... We need to be focused on those most at risk first. Seems like we are running out of that demand pool, however.

I have a MD-themed snow stick my old man got me for my BD, I will put it up next time I am there.