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The "scientists" just said even with your vaccine you can still spread delta and kill people, so you better be masked up.

I guess. So every one of the thousands of reports in VAERS is not a death caused by the vaccine? That seems like a bigger leap than saying the number is higher than 3... I mean, the data in VAERS says that nearly 7,000 people have died from the vaccines. I'm sure the number is lower, but 3? You seem really sensitive about the vaccine. I am pretty sure many of you are losing faith that it can protect you, otherwise the reactions make no sense. Clearly, none of you are worried about the unvaccinated at this point...

It's pretty twisted how the media has you guys convinced that we need to forcefully vaccinate small children so that maybe, just maybe, the government will allow us to go back to normal. It's a crazy way to think. What are you guys going to say when some guy from Africa or India brings another variant here and it breaks through the vaccine?

If you believe only 3 people have died out of 350 million doses... OK. Safest medical procedure ever created by man, I guess. It's going to be a total meltdown for some of you when the CDC announces a variant that fully bypasses the vaccine in 30%-50%+ of cases with the reality bubble you have created around yourselves.

We should be vaxxing fetuses to protect the nurses in the delivery ward, bro.

Obviously, there is zero appetite for the authorities to report vaccine deaths since it really hurts their messaging campaign, and I don't think it matters anyway. The vaccines are killing some people like any medical procedure can, but they are still very safe and the benefits at the moment still far outweigh the cons for most people. One exception is small children. It's less clear if the risk/reward ratio is the same for them since so few get serious COVID. A couple hundred deaths in American children from the vaccine would make it about as risky as COVID, if not a little more so.

It doesn't even make sense at a basic level. If they vaccinated 170 million people, just simple allergic reactions would account for more than 3 deaths. Even if 1,000 people died that would be an incredibly low death rate and nothing to be worried about. Stats are nearly impossible to find because no one is tracking them, which is odd considering this isn't even a fully approved vaccine. You would think Pfizer and the FDA would want to know this data but apparently not... Here is what the CDC is saying: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html That seems to indicate at least that J&J has caused some deaths. There are thousands of deaths in VAERS in people who had just received the vaccine. I think it's safe to say more than 3 people have died... Looks like the UK system has recorded 1,332 deaths after the vaccine up through the middle of June: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-idUSL2N2O01W8 Kinda neat how when someone dies of a heart attack with COVID, it's a COVID death, but when someone dies of a heart attack right after getting the vaccine, it's just a heart attack. Again, I expect studies in the future to sort this all out and then be buried.

The rhetoric out there sure is getting really divisive now, not to mention jingoistic. Maybe some do want a war over this.

Seems like it's a bit worse than your article indicated: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-says-fully-vaccinated-people-spread-the-delta-variant-and-should-wear-masks-this-new-science-is-worrisome/ar-AAMCNdt Seems like the vaccinated spread this enough to warrant a major reversal of the guidance from May.

There is no way it was just 3 people. LOL

Does that include delta though?

I never said higher than the unvaccinated. I said they could spread it as easily.

People can still get tested all they want. But why base public policy on cases?

It has been scrubbed from the original USA Today article, apparently.

You’ll never get away from COVID unless you stop tracking cases.

Do you agree they can spread the virus around and kill people?

Seeing some reports that the “experts” are saying that the vaccinated can spread delta just as much as the unvaccinated? So much for the “pandemic of the unvaccinated” narrative. Keep away from me, vaccinated plague carriers.

I didn’t ask you, originally.

How does making the vaxxed mask help anything? That’s what I am asking.

Imagine being an adult who is genuinely happy that mommy government is making him wear his slobber bib again. LOL

But that’s not what I asked, unless you agree the vaxxed can still spread the virus around (some seem to still deny this). Otherwise, making the vaxxed mask up doesn’t help lower the amount of virus circulating.

Wait, how are you not dead yet?

Can someone explain how this doesn’t mean that there is concern over the efficacy of the vaccines? That seems like the clear interpretation of making the vaccinated mask up. The vax is on the ropes so bad it needs all the help it can get, even from a face napkin.

Who cares about “encountering” the virus? You encounter weird viruses all day long.

It passed through the UK with little impact.