PhineasC

What is incorrect about what he posted?

Over the last 48 hours, I have discovered that vaccinated people are incredibly hostile towards and suspicious of the idea that they could be spreading the virus around. It’s been kind of interesting how fast “follow the science” flies out the window when the information is not convenient.

DP is 45 right now. That’s my kind of summer!

I think most older people who are ventilated end up dying soon even if they survive the process. The stats were pretty sobering last time I saw them. That’s what I mean when I say we need some studies to really parse out this long COVID stuff from other factors such as 2 weeks on a ventilator.

I know a guy in his 60s who had very bad antibiotic-resistant pneumonia that lingered and caused issues with his lung capacity and stamina for a while. So it can definitely happen.

But apparently with Delta you can still spread it.

Reinfections are pretty rare but maybe this has something to do with the other variants. Is it a pretty mild case now? I must not know many people because I can't believe how many of you guys know multiple people getting sick and dying from COVID. My family doesn't know of anyone who had serious COVID. And none of my employees or their families have had any issues either. Just lucky I guess.

Two positive tests?

It's going to take time to nail this down, because most people are reporting very broad and generally vague symptoms like this. This will end up like lupus and similar diseases that are hard to pin down and treat.

Looking forward to seeing some real studies over real populations and real timelines, for sure. Other major respiratory illnesses such as serious pneumonia can cause lingering affects as well, so it isn't unprecedented. But they are relatively rare. To me, this feels like the Kawasaki Syndrome scare. A lot of hype, but it turned out to be very rare and not really above normal background levels once the data was crunched.

1) Delta is a lot weaker than the US media is telling people 2) 65% of the Indian population is below the age of 35. The demographics there are a lot different than this country and especially Western Europe. Herd immunity was always a quicker option for them. I'm sure their case load became absurd at various points. Ridiculous numbers of 25 year olds with the sniffles or no symptoms.

It could be. Obviously long-term studies that attempt to rule out the many conflating factors are needed. All I keep seeing are anecdotes from a "friend of a friend" type deal referring to very generic symptoms that can also be caused by excessive stress, anxiety, etc. I think it's kind of telling that this seems to mostly affect the same demographics that are hardest hit by anxiety disorders and depression (females 30-50 years of age). That doesn't seem to make sense given that COVID actually hits a totally different demographic (older men) hardest, right?

LOL only some anecdotes from "my cousin from Boston" are acceptable, I guess.

I am skeptical of "long COVID" until we see some good long-term studies. The symptoms are all very vague and broad, and seem to overlap an awful lot with symptoms of depression and anxiety disorders, which are concurrently rising rapidly.

If the pandemic had actually affected normal people as much as the media would have you believe, the people would be rioting for doses of the vaccine, not to protest vaccine passports. So much of the fear around this pandemic has been generated by the media, instead of by people's personal experiences. Some here and elsewhere like to point at these people as "morons" simply for just trusting what they can observe around them in their own communities more than what the man on TV is saying.

Yep, the virus is pretty much behaving as these things do from an evolutionary standpoint. Something akin to the flu is the endpoint. We are closer than people think.

Agreed on India for sure, but then that gets into a question of a place like China, which one would expect to have had high numbers of deaths. China is often touted as an example of how “lockdowns work” but it seems silly to trust their numbers. One other factor many forget, the US is a fairly old nation. India, Africa, SE Asia tend to be much younger. They don’t have a very large population of elderly in nursing homes for the virus to invade and destroy. That can dramatically lower the death rates.

LOL who is the data conspiracist now?

Good stuff, although I noticed that as usual they caveat that by pointing out the "slow rate of vaccinations." India beat Delta basically without the vaccines.

Nevada bringing back mask mandates effective Friday. First one I have seen. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nevada-mask-mandate-cdc-guidance/

@HoarfrostHubb Iceland bringing back some restrictions due to Delta. This is why I am too scared to travel overseas yet. Hopefully this doesn't cause you any issues. https://www.icelandreview.com/society/covid-19-in-iceland-restrictions-imposed-to-combat-delta-variant-uncertainty/ Edit: doesn't seem too bad so far: https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/iceland-reimposes-covid-19-restrictions-as-cases-surge.html

NY and NJ cars are everywhere this summer. I have seen tons of them from all the way up in Coos County to down in southern FL and everywhere in between. Kind of like the cicadas or a plague of locusts. They are in every shop and store pushing and complaining. They tailgate you on every road. I guess no one wanted to be in NY/NJ this summer for whatever reason... PA is a close third. They also seem to have dispersed farther and wider than ever before. Our beach town in DE is absolutely clogged with them. I guess they all stopped going to Wildwood, NJ.

I think it's clear that the politicians and media decided the best way to beat COVID was to scare the crap out of everyone and make it seem like the choice was vaccine or a slow death. There has been next to no talk about natural immunity, the hundreds of millions of people who got a mild case and recover, and the fact that these viruses usually mutate to become weaker. Natural immunity is surely quite effective against this virus, but telling people that would affect the vaccination numbers.

I am not against the vaccines at all. They work and are safe. I have never argued that. I get the flu vaccine every year. But natural immunity to COVID is a real thing. Some seem to be so into vaccines that they act like natural immunity doesn't exist at all for COVID and paint this as strictly a vaxxed and unvaxxed issue. It plays into the us vs them fight.

It looks like the vaccine mandate announcement may be focused outside DoD. We will see what the DoD does on their end. We do have some Federal work outside DoD but I can segregate it off. I know we all love the vax here, but it is really not going to be fun trying to tell everyone they have to get vaccinated or get tested everyday and mask up. Enforcing this will be a nightmare beyond belief and probably barely move the vaccination needle anyway. Such dumb virtue signaling crap.