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So scared he pissed himself?

There are two competing narratives crashing into each other now: 1) The vaccines are extremely effective against these variants. If you get vaccinated, you will be safe from COVID and can go back to normal. The unvaccinated are the only people getting sick. (this is the old message from May) 2) Delta (and other variants to come) are very dangerous and even having the vaccine might not be enough to keep you safe. We need to go back to masks, distancing, and lockdowns to really end COVID and go back to normal. The vaccinated are having more cases and spreading the virus now so make sure you mask up. It's no wonder people are riled up and confused.

I don't think that kind data makes any sense, just on it's face. Unvaccinated people are not getting tested routinely as a general rule. I know these people and they never got tested in the first place. You are only getting very serious cases from that cohort. Clearly, the CDC has seen enough to spook them into updating the guidelines to say the vaccinated need to mask up. That was a big change from May and has caused a lot of drama so far. So they must have some data that has them "worried."

I am not arguing the vaccinated are having serious cases. I am not one of "those guys" who claims the vaccine doesn't work. It's clearly still very effective at preventing serious complications and death. Later variants, we will have to see, but for now it still works very well. No debate there. As for the spread issue, I would also agree that the vaccinated would intuitively spread the virus less than the unvaccinated. But the narrative in May was essentially that the vaccinated could not spread the virus at all, hence they could suddenly take off their masks with zero restrictions, seemingly overnight. Now data is coming out that is changing the CDC position. The vaccinated can spread the virus. TBD on the degree to which that happens. Vaccinated people need to chill and accept that they can catch delta, but it will most likely be very mild. The idea that this whole deal is 99% the fault of the unvaccinated is total BS now, though. The casedemic stuff is being driven by the vaccinated now too.

Unvaxxed people are not getting tested unless they are in the hospital. Sell this nonsense media data saying 99% of the cases are unvaccinated. That makes zero sense. The data coming out now is all pointing towards vaccinated getting infected at a much higher rate than that.

Not in Provincetown, MA and not in the UK, either. Data is starting to come out that the vaccinated are getting infected and can spread the virus at a fairly high rate with delta. It's not a big deal for the vaccinated to get a very mild case that is barely symptomatic.

He is the kind of person that stayed up to 3 in the morning researching toe cancer that night when we had all the infected toe talk here a few months back.

It's indoor season there. But cases are rising no doubt. Delta is highly transmissible. Many Americans are infected right now, regardless of vaccination status. The wave will rise very high very fast but then wash out with a whimper, if we follow the pattern of other countries.

The vaxxed are spreading the virus and killing people. They are also creating variants. It might be time to put the vaxxed in camps for the health and safety of everyone else.

Just look at the "science" messaging since May. It's been all over the damned place. It definitely feels like there is more set to drop that busts the government narrative but certain parties at the Federal level are working to block or dampen it. Frankly, I am glad I have sat it out and waited.

I get the impression you don't really trust the government either. This isn't a red vs blue issue. You know damned well there is a chance they will try this.

It’s coming from the Federal level I think. I could be wrong but I feel it in my bones.

They are building up the narrative to major lockdowns. Get ready. Stop blaming the unvaccinated and put the blame on the politicians.

Hate to say I told you so: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/30/health/vaccination-alone-variants-study/index.html?__twitter_impression=true Time to wake up and stop blaming the unvaccinated. Vaccinating everyone forever is not happening dummies.

Straight BMI is really not a great measure, unless you are totally sedentary I guess.

You have a gift for prose usually not seen on the Internet.

I hope your breakthrough infection is not a big deal, sincerely.

So young and full of life, as he wheezed and coughed after climbing up three steps.

You are definitely someone I could see spending hours online hitting WebMD to find anything else to explain how your symptoms are not COVID.

A couple of my vaccinated friends are sick and they are all doing the same thing, making up other mysterious illnesses and ailments to explain away their COVID symptoms. Is this some vaxxed-person coping mechanism? It's a good thing if you get mild COVID and recover easily. Why be scared of that? I felt like crap for a couple days last week and immediately assumed it was delta COVID since it seemed to fit the pattern. It's just not a big deal.

Sure you did, buddy. I believe that you just have a cold. Sure.

The politicians and CDC are issuing guidance and mandates based on cases. Plenty of people in power care about cases. You personally might not care about cases, but there you are with delta COVID even with your vax all the same. LOL

That's fine if we stop with the casedemic nonsense. If deaths are already decoupling from cases, what even is the drive to vax all young kids, for example?

Tracking breakthrough cases and testing the vaccinated has a chilling effect on the storyline that the vaccines are incredibly effective and everyone must take them to save themselves and others. We are seeing a bit of a narrative war now: get vaxxed so we can "end COVID," but even when vaxxed you will still get sick and spread the virus around which means COVID won't end.

They are definitely not 100% reliable, and there can be a change in result based on when you get tested. The CDC recently recommended the PCR test be retired... It's certainly technically possible you have a regular cold, but I really doubt it, if what they say about delta is true.