PhineasC

Anyone have a good explanation for why Israel reports cases and deaths with details on vaccinated and unvaccinated and mostly the US does not, aside from the explanation that the US is pushing a narrative?

I'm sure you will keep us closely posted with more out-of-context data left hanging in mid-air as this story develops.

I think it's fair to say this is a major topic again because cities and businesses are rapidly adding back restrictions and mandates. Seems at least newsworthy...

Alpha is stronger than Delta.

LOL well yeah… just struck me as weird I guess.

I wonder how you prove recovery?

I would not mandate anything related to masks. Companies can choose to do what they want with masks. I don't think lockdowns should be legal. Vaccines are very good. Not everyone can get the virus and survive, or avoid serious complications. The vaccine needs to be free and available to all. Lockdowns don't do anything unless you want to be like China or Australia (even then it is debatable). No thanks.

Right, bad choice of word. OK, so a long-term care facility then.

I think some of the 2020 excess was COVID accelerating deaths that would have occurred 1-2 years later if COVID didn't exist. A guy who was very sick in hospice and may have held on until 2022 instead died in 2020. There are surely scores of these examples. There is also probably some plain old mislabeling. People who tested positive for COVID and then died of a heart attack. Our society had a lot of unhealthy "easy targets" last year that COVID definitely went after hard. I think the studies that come out in a few years looking at the 2020 data will change the narrative a bit.

We need to come together as Americans regardless of vaccination status and eradicate the penis snakes immediately.

Breakthrough cases are clearly being way undercounted in this country. It's up for debate why this is happening. There is strong evidence from the UK and Israel that infers there are many more breakthrough cases here than just the couple hundred that have received media attention so far.

We have never collected data on the flu or other respiratory diseases to this extent. The flu death numbers from the CDC each year a total guess, by their own admission. When an old person infected with the flu dies of heart failure or COPD, it isn't called "death from flu" on the stats. That concept is unique to COVID. No doubt Delta is super transmissible, which is why it will burn out quickly and many millions of Americans have already caught it and recovered (if they even realized they had it). That includes many vaccinated people too!

We probably never saw it before because we never had people like you staring at data all day or states collecting this data in the first place to scare the crap out of people. I'm sure boatloads of seniors have died of respiratory diseases in summers past and no one even batted an eye.

A prior positive COVID test result should be just as valid as a vaccine card, IMO.

They also almost completely ignore natural immunity. I saw today yet another new study arguing that natural immunity may actually be more effective than the vaccine because the natural antibodies change over time to adapt to the variants whereas the vaccine-induced antibodies don’t. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/delta-infections-among-vaccinated-likely-contagious-lambda-variant-shows-vaccine-2021-08-02/

Delta is about as deadly as the flu. The media is still pushing blatantly wrong stats such as “99.99% of cases are the unvaccinated” when the CDC isn’t even tracking most breakthrough cases.

Me.

This pandemic has always been driven through out-of-context metrics and anecdotes pushed on TV and Twitter. Even at the peak of things last spring, people weren't dying in the streets. People were still going on airplanes and having parties in April 2020. There were times last year where I would be with some people in some public place who were really worried about COVID and they were quoting the latest stats out of some random town in some random country to show me why I should be scared (like @Hoosier still does). I always just asked, "you must not be that scared in reality because you are standing here at the airport or in Walmart with just a thin napkin over your nose and mouth." The man on TV wouldn't need to berate the unvaccinated or talk about fear and doom 24/7 if people were actually seeing mass death in their own families and communities. Fact is, they aren't now and haven't been. Turn off the TV!

Nice, those first days jet lagged are always tough but looks like you are diving in head first.

Still a lot of people (hate to call them dopes...) who actually still think if we just vax all the toddlers ASAP the gubmint will let us go back to 2019. I have noticed more of them are waking up now and realizing that isn't true.

Looks like Lambda will be next in the doom hype chute after Delta fizzles out.

He's already delivering on his promises.

The boss who leads from the front and by example is usually the best.

I am seeing some employees who know they can't be easily replaced simply refusing to return. There are also others who are desperate to get back to the regular routine and came in as early and often as they could. Not a one-size-fits-all situation here.

Uh oh, be careful. There is a crew here who will call you an out-of-touch micromanaging insecure boss with an attitude like that.