Not saying this will happen, but wtf, last year I think December 1 or so ASH 18" (I may be off etc),this year (ok oct about 3" for us), then December 5, well maybe 3-3.5" of crap last night, now many seeing a "pig", I hope this isn't a repeat of last season, many said after 9-12 (dec.) time frame will be our chances , now we are talking near Christmas ?