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Its nowhere near a million. Or 6 million. The argument is that a side effect that affects 6 in almost 7 million would have been picked up in a trial. That's not true.

Gardasil ran phase I, II, and II trials with full approval. The total in the trials was around 50,000 people. Zostavax ran about 80,000 total. Boostrix (dTAP booster) ran a total of 12,000. Clinical trials do not run as many patients as people think.

LOL. Now you're just ranting non sense. I've said that studies would be done for 2-3 years with several hundred thousand people and a 6 in 6.5 million effect probably wouldn't be picked up. That's why pharma have whole department that follow a drug through its life cycle. Its called pharmacovigilance.

I've told everyone here before. J&J and AZ vaccines aren't "old style". They are about as new as the mRNA type.

I'm not sure why you persist with this argument. I've told you that an event this rare would most assuredly not been picked up. I do know a little about what I'm talking about .

Yes I get that. I wasn't serious.

Phin, you know I love ya dude. We're usually on the same page. Not this time. And yes, we know ho to treat blood clots.

Both RNA vaccines are pretty comparable. Moderna uses a touch higher RNA amounts. Probably why it has a little more after affects. I'm sure moderna and Pfiizer executives are off the walls this morning.

That's not quite a fair statement. I've been in drug development over 20 years. I can safely say that there's no drug trial in the world that's big enough to pick up a 6 in 6.5 million side effect. Even if a trial ran 3-4 years with several hundred thousand people, that probably wouldn't have been picked up. 60 million people take Tylenol. On average, there are 50-60k people hospitalized and 500 deaths due to toxicity every year. Pick any drug approved drug on the market and you'll find some reaction. The FDA will put in back on the market within a week.

Ray had a thread for that.

Should Meghan go to Phillips funeral?

So did gronk

As Linda Richmond said: heres a topic. So... is JE11 just biding his time so he can go down to Tampa and wash Brady’s grapes? Discuss

Some people should get out beyond 495 more and see how others live and think

I hate to break it to him, but a lot of people have been eating indoors since last June. Does this guy live under a rock?

Only in the usual suspect locations.

And some people who work in a hospital setting just get a blanket PTO. There's no differentiation between sock time and vacation time. Who wants to eat into vacation time to take a couple days of with a bad cold when they can go to work and tough it out and use that PTO in the summer. That needs to end.

In one word: YES That why you folks who are in the "masks are done by summer" camp are in fantasy land.

I put my snow blower in the shed on Saturday. Maybe he's on to something.

Man, 'Rhea day here in Cambridge. 46 and drizzle. Yipee

Does Disney actually move that much to make it a worthwhile investment? Does it pay a dividend?

SHHHH

Stein in the rear view mirror.

Now this thread gets shut down again. The troll is back I figured it was a matter of time. For the love of the weather gods, Ignore it and she'll go way!!

I’d like to go to Florida tomorrow and come back about Memorial Day.