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7 degrees. An unexpected exceptional December compared to recent duds. No matter how the last couple of days end it's a solid B+.

Don what are the 30 year average December averages since 1941-1970, 51-80, 61-90, 71-00, 81-2010, and 1991-2020 for Central Park and Poughkeepsie? I am curious to see if UHI effect has had any difference in the continuing rise in December averages vs places that don't have that influence.

7 degrees. About 7 lower than forecast. Snow on the ground helps.

They felt the heat. As soon as we turn off the pressure they will wait until 1 pm the next storm to measure.

They felt the pressure.

Be careful, Upton may be sending their goons to suppress these pictures when they record 0.3 today.

1.5 inches here too, 4.5 inches otg, making for a perfect Christmas Eve. Along with the -3 temp yesterday morning a perfect week leading into Christmas Day.

When they measure at 1:00 it won't be there. They're already at 2.5 they just didn't record it. I know it's a broken record but still frustrating.

23 degrees moderate snow. Driveway and roads covered, grass already was.

For what time periods ?

I think his silence is your answer. Of course they didn't. They did what they usually do. They measured at 7 AM. Snow stopped about 9 AM and they measured again around 1 PM when everything had begun melting and compressing and came up with 1.8 like nothing happened between 7-9 am. It' the same old story, they can say what they want. There is no consistency in the protocol to measurements being done in the park. They may as well give it back to the zookeeper. It can't get much worse.

So everyone is good pretending 1.8 inches of snow fell in Central Park yesterday? Maybe we should just start quoting LGA numbers for what actually has occured snowfall wise in the city. Why keep referencing something we know is incorrect? It's like seeing someone wandering off or losing their train of thought constantly and insisting they're mentally competent. No one in particular just a general statement.

Orange County NY of course has nothing to do with Oranges, the trees wouldn't even survive late April here. It's a family name but not sure why the Orange family got a whole county named after them. I would guess they had a lot of money. Orange County, New York is named after William of Orange, who later became King William III of England: The county name is derived from King William III of England who was a Prince of the House of Orange.

Because there's a town of West Orange New Jersey people around here often assume Orange County is in NJ, it isn't.

I'm 15 miles north of him and I'm at -3. I think he subtracts from snow totals and adds to temperature. It's a nice imaginary world, I guess.

Most of us have a white Christmas, some of us seeing subzero lows before Christmas Day, enjoy the present day. I'd actually rather have this now than in the middle of January, what are the odds they're even right 50-50, who cares?

That was at my house Highland Mills, I assumed most on the NYC forum would have no idea where that is. -3 will most likely be my low. I'm already up a few tenths of a degree. Will be interesting to see if any isolated spots in the Hudson Valley get -10.

-3 Orange County

-2 right now. My low last winter, my warmest low temperature ever in a season, was +9 my forecast low was 2. Monticello currently -5, Lake Placid -15.

0 at 11:59 Orange County NY It should be two calendar days below zero in a row in December. I haven't looked it up but it has to be several years at least since we've had that.

I've suggested it to them many times through the years. Several years ago Upton got the conservancy in Central Park to take the measurements and for 3-4 years they were pretty accurate. I'm not sure who's been doing it the last four years but it's been terrible, almost always lower than all surrounding stations. You may remember several years ago Lonnie Quinn the channel 2 meteorologist went to the park himself to measure when he knew the measurement in the park was way off. I believe central Park measured 3 inches even from the event and he went there several hours after the snow had stopped and compression had begun and still measured 4 inches and change. That's how bad it is. Ridiculous when you think about it. I emailed Upton about it this morning. No response yet. They have answered in the past though, and they do acknowledge it is a problem, however they never seem to permanently fix it.

4 degrees here in Orange County. I don't see how we don't go below zero tonight. Unless there's unexpected cloud cover later, it seems like a lock.

Question Don, do you believe the Central Park measurement of 1.8 to be accurate? It is apparently low again, as it usually is. They can't ever seem to get it straight, and the last several years it seems even worse. Not actually having an observer or office there really makes it a joke. They should either used trained spotters for snow totals or just give LGA as the snow measurements. Curious of your thoughts on that.

Ridiculous but ive grown numb to it.

It's an old story and a very annoying one. Nothings ever done about it.