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Was looking at those last night, what a paradise. When I got out of college 30 odd years ago I had a nice job offer in Syracuse and I didn't take it. A chance at life in paradise and I turned it down, how less frustrating winters could have been.

You really do seem to be in a black hole for snow. Any idea why and how large an area does it cover?

If for entertainment only why even include Boston? Go with something along the lines of the February 25-26 2010 storm. I had 35 inches from that storm, Hunter mountain had close to 60 inches, NYC 20.9 inches and Boston had rain almost the entire storm along with most of New England including Vermont. Now that was a fantasy storm come to life.

That May 9-10 1977 storm hit parts of the HV very hard. I remember the highest total recorded from that storm was 27 inches In the Catskills, it was in a town called Olivia at 2,500 feet near slide mountain NY. We had 2-8 inches around parts of Orange County but other places above 1,500 feet in HV had a foot. Tannersville NY had 13 inches, Poughkeepsie 6 inches, NYC had a trace with a high temp of 44 that day. Boston only had a half inch, Hartford an inch, Albany 2 inches, but I think Providence had almost seven and Worcester 12 inches. That and the October 3-4 1987 snow storm which dropped over a foot in parts of the HV, I remember the Taconic parkway trees in Dutchess carried those scars for years, are the two greatest storms I ever experienced In this area so late and early in the season.

Where you relocating? We have a lot of family in north Georgia, Alpharetta, Canton, Cumming and Jasper. Great area if you’re still looking. Isn’t a horrible season in the tug hill 150-200 inches? I feel terrible for them, thoughts and prayers.

When events can't even live up to the very low bar of less than an inch it speaks volumes.

I've cited the same stat several times recently, any time someone discards March as a spring month. It is nice to see the actual monthly totals in the four recent years it has happened. As your chart above plainly shows 4 of the 5 last March did not win out with paltry totals during sub standard winters like this one. We're basically talking double digit totals each March, the exception being 2017 which was close with 9.7 inches. Five of Six seems more than plausible at this point. I'm also interested this March to see if it can end up being colder again than February for the third time in four years. March has only been colder than February 7 times in 151 years of record keeping in NYC and three times in four years has never happened. It looks like February's average temperature wise will also leave a very low bar, one that a slightly below normal (1°-2°) March may be able to beat. It would be another first in the weird 2000's.

I love your posts and read them daily, but I can never get use to the references with NYC included in the Mid Atlantic region. Geographically it just seems wrong, although I get the text book reference for those that use New England as the northeast and that's that, and somehow squeeze NY state into the Mid Atlantic where geographically and climate wise it clearly doesn't belong.. In my world Southern PA and southern NJ down through W.VA and Virginia is the Mid Atlantic, if your just going by geography you could even include North Carolina in there too. If you strictly divided the east coast into three areas by latitude without regard to state borders the southeast would start at the southern tip of Florida 25° N, excluding the Keys, and end at the eastern extreme of Maine that touches the Atlantic 45° N. If you want to include the northern extent of Maine make it 47°N. Dividing into three equal shares using latitude, the southeast would run from south Florida to southern S.Carolina 32.4°N. The Mid Atlantic would run form a little south of Charleston SC to a little north of Atlantic City NJ 39.7° N and the northeast from there to the northern extreme of Maine not touching the Atlantic 47°N. No criticism intended here, just bored from the prolonged pattern we are mired in and just using the spare time to bring up something other than weather.

My response to your map is in the same spirit as you drew the map. Just having fun.

It’s never happened in 151 years of records so not likely. With the warming climate though who knows, nothing would shock me.

In NYC for 4 of the last 5 seasons the snowiest month has been March. Add to that March has had a lower average monthly temperature two of the last three years than February (that's only happened 7 times in 151 years that March has been colder than February). This coming March does not have a very high bar to shoot for to keep both streaks going.

If you've had more than a trace of snow you've had more snow than the city of Atlanta has had this season. It was only their northern suburbs that had accumulations last week. I currently sit at 20.5 inches, 12 of it from the early December storm. A horrible winter especially with the mild temperatures added in.

January 9, 2017 I recorded -0.6° so I'm guessing 2007/08 was my last year

Only made it to 5.1° so not even close. Looks like this will be the first season since I've been keeping temperature records that we don't go below zero. Just wondered if anyone has records in the HV as to the last season we didn't get below zero? Just saw Bluewaves post above from Poughkeepsie records . Looking at those records it sees like 2007/08 was the last season I didn't get below zero. Another indicator of how absurd the temperatures have been since late December.

Currently 6.1, sub zero does not look like it’s happening tonight. In this pattern we may not get another shot at it this season. I can’t even remember the last year we didn’t go below zero. It’s been a long time.

NYC still needs 12.9 inches of snow by next December 31 to reach a 30 year average of 30 inches per season for the 1991-2020 period to be calculated next January. What seemed like a lock for them two years ago seems to be more and more unlikely to happen. With the way this winter is fading into oblivion without a whimper, and with the unreliability of November and recent Decembers, if I was a betting man I'd now bet against it happening. Here's the average snowfall per month at Central Park since January 1991 through January 2020: October........0.1 November....0.5 December....4.9 January.......8.7 February....10.5 March..........5.1 April.............0.4 Total.........30.3 WTS even if it doesn't snow anymore between now and next December 31st they will have a 29.6 inch average so we could always round up. Of course they're close enough now that one MECS could put them over the top, but those have been hard to come by in the past couple of years, and is certainly very unlikely in this current pattern.

It's getting difficult to even bother to look each morning. Why should I start out my day just affirming the obvious and getting depressed. This isn't going away.

33.8° and dreary out. There is snow on the grass this morning from last night but no idea how much fell. I suppose I can safely say half an inch and log it in the books bringing the seasonal to 20.5 inches.

If snow falls in the forest and there's no one there to measure it before it melts, did it really fall? The decision should have been an easy one. I hope you made the right one.

Of the 151 complete years recorded so far NYC has an average snowfall of 28.8 inches and a median of 27.1 Of those 151 seasons the breakdown is as follows: 69 seasons have had between 20-40 inches of snow or 46% of their winters. Maybe call that your normal NYC winter. 35 seasons over 40 inches or 23%, 38 between 10-19.9 inches or 25% 9 seasons below 10 inches or 6%. Summary, so far this winter in NYC ranks up there among the all time stinkers, and when you throw in the ridiculously high temperature anomaly so far just makes it worse.

They need to start stamping these with “For amusement purposes only” for the uninformed. Just one more example of the GFS incompetence after the upgrade as per Bluewaves post above. The bigger problem is it will be showing similar results 3-4 days before the rains begin.

In the 151 years of record keeping at Central Park, the average snow fall is 28.8 inches per season and the median is 27.1 inches so very little variation in the two numbers. I've never run the numbers for Boston and WDC but I would agree with your guess. I would think Bostons mean and median like NYC's are within a few inches of each other. In a place like Washington where the average snowfall is in the mid teens, a couple of 50 inch seasons will skew the average much more than a couple of 5 inch winters will.

As Expected the snow line continues north on the 12Z GFS. The 7 inch mark over southern Orange County which had been consistent for 4 straight runs is now down to 4 inches. As you stated it will move north towards Albany, as the mentally challenged GFS slowly catches on with the other models.

6Z GSF pretty much the same snowfall map for the HV 4 runs in a row. As you say it's pretty much on its own so most likely out to lunch.

The snowfall map about the same as 18Z. I don't believe it for a second though.