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33.6° and snowing, no accumulation. Went back and forth between rain and snow all night, nothing sticking, ten to fifteen miles to my NW 3-4 inches. The final parting insult to the worst winter ever.

33.6° and snowing, no accumulation. Went back and forth between rain and snow all night, nothing sticking, ten to fifteen miles to my NW 3-4 inches. The final parting insult to the worst winter ever.

22.1 inches, also my worst season since I've been keeping records. The winters low temperature of 5.1° is also my highest low temperature for a winter season. From my research, it looks to be only the second time in the last 87 years of records in the HV that we did not go below 5 degrees. An F of a winter if ever there was one. Of course with everything going on right now regarding the virus in hindsight it's insignificant.

Peak depth so far today is 1.3 inches but begins to compress and melt when precip lightens. Back to 32.4° with a light mix.

Had some heavy snow move in about an hour ago and temp dropped from 32.6 to 31.4. It actually began to stick to roads and cover driveway. Peak depth so far today is 1.3 inches but in areas that would be exposed to sun that begins to compress and melt when precip lightens. Back to 32.4° with a light mix.

30.6° moderate snow, grass getting white and nothing on the roads and driveway. With everything going on right now this is a nice diversion.

30.6° moderate snow, grass getting white and nothing on the roads and driveway. With everything going on right now this is a nice diversion.

Sullivan should be the ideal spot for this in the NW, NE suburbs of NYC, especially above 1,000 feet which is a big part of the county. Enjoy

That for sure, but also somewhat disturbing. Going on three months in a row of 5+ above normal temperatures is a little disconcerting. This is the first winter I've ever recorded that the temperature didn't drop below 5° and will be only the second in almost 100 years that doesn't happen in the HV. I have a streak of 12 winters in a row below 0° which will obviously come to an end.

A player on the Utah Jazz tested positive for the virus. The season is suspended as Rob said, so they are leaving open the possibility it may resume at some point.

I was talking about his biblical reference, must I really explain that.

I must have missed the part about stocks tanking. You gotta give it a rest man.

I never said it did. Observing the last 40 years in the HV and the Northeast in general makes a good case for it though. You can throw in all of the thousands of examples in the rest of the world too during this time period. Yet there will always be people like JB that insist it's all in our heads.

Perfectly normal temperatures for the first week of May. I loathe climate change.

If you use the 1981-2010 averages, which is all we will have until January 2021 when everyone in the Northeast will go up several inches at most locations as the 1980's are dropped and the 2010's added, you'd have a hard time arguing that Foxborugh averages 45-50 inches of snow per season. Taunton Ma 16 miles south of Foxborough averages 28 inches and Franklin Ma. 12 miles to their NW averages 41 inches. That would put Foxboroughs average closer to 35-37 inches, extrapolating the difference in miles from each. Sussex has a 40.7 average in the 1981-2010 period so that's a higher average than Foxborough but close enough that it's not worth a prolonged discussion, yet I made it one anyway. Just bored with this pattern and nothing much else to do. WTS I usually take 30 year averages with a grain of salt at most locations. My observations through the decades of following this is how notoriously bad many locations are at recording snowfall totals. What's 3-5 inches per season difference? It could be as little as an observer that just doesn't bother to measure the less than 1 inch totals or not take a peak measurement until a storm has settled and compressed.

That wouldn't be odd at all. NWNJ (Sussex specifically) actually averages more snow per season than Foxboro, although I'm sure there are several in the New England forum that would take offense to that fact.

There was no sudden warm up, different time, different climate. Snow actually stuck around in NYC back then, not like the 2000's, big storms (except for the last two years) and mild winters. The month of March 1888 the average temperature in NYC was 29.9° for the entire month. Consider that against the current January 30 year average in NYC is 32.6°. Also consider that it's been over two years since NYC had a month that averaged below 32° which was January 2018 at 31.7° and before that you'd have to go all the way back to February 2015 23.9°. Several high impact snow storms mask the truth, but for NYC it's been a horrible stretch of above normal and way above normal winter temperatures.

The NYC figure of 20.2 for the January 1996 storm is just another in a long line of classic under measured storms. They didn't even take any measurements after the last couple of bands came through which was after they threw out the 20.2 figure that had no basis in what actually fell which was in the 24-28 inch range in Manhattan. This of course was during the era where the Central Park Zookeeper took the measurements. Rumor during the period was one of the monkeys was doing the actual measuring.

The proof of their under measurements even back in the 1800’s, and as you say what is now an almost 200 year tradition in NYC is the pictures of Manhattan after the blizzard of 1888. 21 inches? Ridiculous, more like 36 which is what they measured in Brooklyn. MJO812 would have been in paradise.

In March 2012 Chicago had a nine day stretch in the middle of the month where they hit 80 or above 8 of the 9 days. The one day they didn’t it hit 79. I always wonder what that stretch would have looked like in mid July. Scary thought.

Don’t you live in the LHV in NY? Look at a map geographically that’s not the mid Atlantic. WDC, Delaware Virginia that’s the mid Atlantic.

If you run a line about 30 miles south of Binghamton and Albany to near the MAss/NH border to the south shore of Maine, to about 30 miles north of NYC and 20 miles north of the LI sound you've had a bad winter, but at least a storm or two or three. I had 12 inches from the December 2-3 storm and a grand total of 8.5 inches since. Anywhere south of that line you just haven't had anything worth even mentioning.

A fair assessment considering the tone of the last couple of hours of conversation. I’m still stuck at 20.5 inches on the season and looks like I’m not adding anything of significance any time soon. Throw in the ridiculous temps since Dec 22 and this now ranks in my bottom three winters of all time. This will also be the first winter I’ve never gone below 5. Other than the first two weeks of December what was even the point of having winter?

I'm in eastern Orange County about 45 miles due north of Manhattan and received 16 inches form the October storm. It was a disaster for the trees. I lost 4 flowering pear trees from that storm,. They didn't cancel Halloween here as the storm was on the 29th. It was interesting to see kids trick or treating with what was still an 8-10 inch snow cover on Halloween.

I checked the records at Poughkeepsie airport yesterday which go back to 1933 for temperatures. There is only one winter since 1933 that the temperature did not go below 5° and in that winter (1952/53) it got down to 6°. We are in pretty uncharted waters here regarding the mild winter temperatures.