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Chester County PA - Analytical Battle of Actual vs. Altered Climate Data
chubbs replied to ChescoWx's topic in Climate Change
You aren't looking at the chart I posted. Per your table the Chesco COOPs and the Philadelphia Airport both averaged 54.1 between 1942-44. After 1945 the large cooling moves started in the Chesco COOPs. By the early 1970s the COOPs were almost as cool as ABE. Clearly shown in the chart I posted above. If you don't correct for station moves, the raw COOP data is unusable for climate purposes in this post-war period. Not sure why this is so hard for you to accept. The Coatesville stations below, 1930-1945 and 1949+ are very different. One is much cooler than the other and the local raw data shows it. You can't treat these two sites as the same station, an adjustment is needed. That's why NCEI gets the right answer for Chesco and you don't. -
Notice that Charleston SC and New Haven, CT are "rural" stations. There were large reverse heat island effects at 2 of the COOP stations in "rural" Chester County. Bottom-line US historical weather data is very inconsistent. It needs to be carefully analyzed not cherry-picked.
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Chester County PA - Analytical Battle of Actual vs. Altered Climate Data
chubbs replied to ChescoWx's topic in Climate Change
The science we are talking about is settled and you don't understand it. The average of Phoenixville, Coatesville and West Chester is as warm as the Philadelphia Airport and the Newark Ag station in the early 1940s. The COOP average dropped steadily after 1945 due to cooling moves at Coatesville (1946,48), Phoenixville (1948) and West Chester (1970). By the early 1970s the Coop Avg had dropped to just above Allentown. NCEI was much more stable than the COOP average, staying just above Allentown the entire period. NCEI isn't fooled by station moves. The mistake you are making is assuming that the average of the COOP stations is a good estimate of the county average temperature. That certainly isn't the case before 1970 when the COOP stations are much warmer than the County as a whole. -
Chester County PA - Analytical Battle of Actual vs. Altered Climate Data
chubbs replied to ChescoWx's topic in Climate Change
You are criticizing an NCEI analysis you don't understand. Settled science no less. Station adjustments have nothing to do with the County Average temperature or the absolute temperature at any station. Instead they are made on an individual station basis to correct non-weather station changes like station moves. Plenty of station moves/changes through the years in Chester County that need to be accounted for.. We've discussed several of the biggest station moves in this thread. NCEI science nailed every single one. You haven't found a single problem with any individual NCEI station adjustment. The results in your table aren't surprising at all. Between 1927 and 1951, the County COOP stations are much warmer than the county average: Phoenixville already in a warm location, ran much hotter than nearby stations on sunny days in that period and also had time of day bias; while, Coatesville and West Chester were both in built up city/town locations. Both stations cooled by roughly 2F when they moved to less built up locations in 1946/1948 (Coatesville) and 1970 (West Chester). The NCEI county average being cooler than the average of these 3 stations is a good thing, exactly what I would expect. Even today the average of Coatesville, West Chester and Phoenixville is warmer today than the county average. Much moreso in 1927-51 when all 3 stations were in warmer locations or ran warmer than today. No the big mistake in your table is your value for the county average. You have Chester County as warm as the Philadelphia airport in some years. That's way off. Not even close. -
April was another month with very high global net radiation. The running 12-month average is getting closer to the 2023 peak, which occurred in August.
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You have to be careful in extrapolating to the future because the relationship between temperature and mortality is highly non-linear. The curve for mortality is very flat in the middle and steep at the edges particularly on the hot side. The reason more people die due to cool weather is the average temperature in the US is below the optimum temperature for mortality of around 70F. The problem is that warm side mortality rises very steeply with temperature. The more we warm the more likely that increased hot weather deaths are going to outstrip cold weather benefits. Per the chart you posted, hot-weather deaths already tripled in the US in the past 20 years. Going forward probably better to assume the same percentage increase, i.e. another tripling in 20 years rather than a linear increase. Just a swag of course. Note that the US will differ from the London chart I posted. Same shape but we are more used to extreme hot and cold weather. https://www.theclimatebrink.com/p/unraveling-the-debate-does-heat-or?r=27daj&triedRedirect=true https://www.theclimatebrink.com/p/unraveling-the-debate-does-heat-or-982
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2026-2027 Super El Nino
chubbs replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Thinking about ONI and RONI. Surface winds like trades are driven by surface temperature difference, so RONI probably more relevent. Precipitation and heat release to atmosphere from condensation are driven by moisture content. Warmer air holds more moisture so ONI is probably more relevent. Jet stream should have some ONI influence due to extra warming of tropical deep atmosphere from condensation. Will be interesting to see how the two factors play out. -
2026-2027 Super El Nino
chubbs replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
In the past couple of weeks, daily record SST from satellite have expanded from the PMM into the enso regions and nearby, mainly N of the equator -
Chester County PA - Analytical Battle of Actual vs. Altered Climate Data
chubbs replied to ChescoWx's topic in Climate Change
The deep dive in Chester County has made me very suspicious of older high temperature records in the US. Non-aspirated thermometers used back in the day are sensitive to shelter placement. It only takes one poorly sited station on one day to make a max temperature statistic misleading. Phoenixville in Chester County is a good example. Much hotter max temperatures than surrounding stations for 20 years in the 1930s and 40s. Well documented in this thread. As you show above, Martz's chart of nationwide high temperature records has the same problem. This whole thread is about using inconsistent data past vs present, to present misleading information. -
2026-2027 Super El Nino
chubbs replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
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UAH6 spiked up in May. Matching the timing of the initial rise in other recent strong/super ninos (1997, 2015, 2023). The rise in UAH is a sign that tropical moist convection is increasing.
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CERES net radiation through March. At high level in March, similar to February. Probably close to peak for this ENSO cycle.
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Chester County PA - Analytical Battle of Actual vs. Altered Climate Data
chubbs replied to ChescoWx's topic in Climate Change
The mistake you are making is assuming that your viewpoint and calculations are correct without looking at the complete weight of evidence.. Over the 1978 to 2025 period Phoenixville warms at the same rate as Coatesville and NCEI Chesco. Its a red flag that you don't match Phoenixville or Coatesville or NCEI. No surprise either, the station network you are using is cooling with time. Well documented in this thread and shouldn't be this difficult to understand. You are giving "unrepresentative" Phoenixville a 25% weight in 1978 but only 6% weight in 2025. Devault, almost as warm as Phoenixville, also gets a 25% weight in 1978. Coatesville the coolest station in 1978 is an average station in 2025. You are using a different representation of the County in the 1970s and 2025. Different again in 1945 with Coatesville, West Chester, and Phoenixville all in much warmer locations. -
Chester County PA - Analytical Battle of Actual vs. Altered Climate Data
chubbs replied to ChescoWx's topic in Climate Change
But your Phoenixville chart shows increasing heat waves in the same 1978 to 2025 period. There are other explanations for the discrepancy. Station changes at Octoraro Lake being the most likely. You've been making the same cherry-picked comparisons with PHL for a decade now. Invariably the story changes when additional stations are included. Its about time for a KPTW update -
Chester County PA - Analytical Battle of Actual vs. Altered Climate Data
chubbs replied to ChescoWx's topic in Climate Change
The chart shows more heat waves at Phoenixville, when you consider the spurious warmth at Phoenixville in the 1930 to 1940 period that is well documented in this thread.
