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Another large positive net radiation balance in February, further increasing the running 12-month average. Should be near an enso peak in the running 12-month avg, as the transition to nino is underway. Combination of high net radiation and nino transition should fuel a healthy rise in global temperatures for the rest of the year. We will see. https://ceres-tool.larc.nasa.gov/ord-tool/jsp/EBAFTOA421Selection.jsp
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This chart shows where daily satellite SST is at record levels. Biggest feature is the large area of record warmth in the PMM area extending west of North America. An important area with nino conditions developing. There are also less extensive record temperatures in the southern hemisphere Pacific south of the enso region. https://cyclonicwx.com/sst/
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Chester County PA - Analytical Battle of Actual vs. Altered Climate Data
chubbs replied to ChescoWx's topic in Climate Change
Very important to remove the station changes in Chester county. The county stations moved frequently and bigger changes were cooling. The station population has cooled with time mainly due a shift from towns to more rural sites. Our older stations are warmer than the county as a whole, particularly in the 1930-48 period when Phoenixville was much warmer than other local stations on summer afternoons; and, West Chester and Coatesville were in built-up towns. I can match NCEI perfectly by; 1) excluding the 3 big station moves: Coatesville in 1946+48, Phoenixville in 1948 and West Chester in 1970; and, by removing the temperature difference between stations by taking station anomalies to a common period. Raw data without the contamination of station changes. The chart below shows that NCEI has met their objective of taking out station changes to reveal the weather and climate signal in the raw data. Of course, if you leave in all the station changes you won't match NCEI or any other scientific analysis. This thread is a strawman based on bad analysis and confirmation bias. -
2026-2027 Strong El Nino
chubbs replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
April RONI - 1982 - 0.48 and 1997 - 0.49. Closer to ONI as expected since tropics were cooler- 1,093 replies
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2026-2027 Strong El Nino
chubbs replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Recent rise in Nino 3.4 SST is similar in timing and magnitude to last 3 super ninos. Chart below shows 1982, 1997 and 2015 along with this year.- 1,093 replies
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So far 2026 has been running cooler globally than 2024 and 2025, but warmer than 2023. If 2026 warms as much in the remainder of the year as 2023, then a yearly global record is likely. However, warming in 2023 was unusually large for an el nino onset year. We will need to see monthly records begin to be broken in the summer to have a chance of breaking a yearly record. Will be a good test of whether the unusual warmth in 2023 was anomalous or caused by the large earth energy imbalance.
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Chester County PA - Analytical Battle of Actual vs. Altered Climate Data
chubbs replied to ChescoWx's topic in Climate Change
Raw data determines whether there was a station change not NCDC documentation, which can be incomplete. The 2F cooling of Morgantown relative to Coatesville is clearly a station change of some kind. The Morgantown site was didn't operate for 5 months in the summer of 1966, station changes in Chester County that I have investigated usually coincided with station shutdowns. -
Chester County PA - Analytical Battle of Actual vs. Altered Climate Data
chubbs replied to ChescoWx's topic in Climate Change
First of all no data is altered. That is a false, misleading claim on your part. The adjustments are merely a step in the climate data analysis process. They are never purported to be actual measurements. Second the adjustments make sense if you know how they are calculated and used. Plotting the data in your table shows that Coatesville and Morgantown do not agree at times on the year-to-year temperature changes. The largest discrepancy, roughly 2F, is between 1966 and 67. That is a clear sign of a major station change, probably at Morgantown. Congratulations you've identified another major COOP station change , The station change doesn't mean that the data is bad. Only that station change needs to be accounted for when estimating long-term temperature trends. Otherwise roughly 2F of bias will be introduced. Also note that a change between 1966 and 67 would trigger station adjustments in all the prior years. That's why you find so many large positive adjustments in the older West Chester, Phoenixville and Coatesville data. All of the stations experienced moves from warmer to cooler sites between 1946 and 1970. -
Chester County PA - Analytical Battle of Actual vs. Altered Climate Data
chubbs replied to ChescoWx's topic in Climate Change
The exact stations are immaterial. Very easy to spot the large station moves using the Chester County stations. The proof is in the pudding. NOAA matches the raw Chesco data once the big moves are removed, particularly the overall warming in the past 130 years. -
Chester County PA - Analytical Battle of Actual vs. Altered Climate Data
chubbs replied to ChescoWx's topic in Climate Change
I don't know which stations were used. However the number is more than adequate. There is a dense network of stations in this area. Below is a comparison of raw data to NOAA. The raw data is the same chart that was posted above; but, with Avondale, 10 DEOS stations and E Nantmeal added. As described above, I've taken out the important post -war station moves: Coatesville (46+48), Phoenixville (48), and West Chester (70). I've also removed the temperature difference between stations by taking an anomaly. The anomaly period has been shifted to 2012-24 since all stations except West Chester pre-1970 operated in this period. Anomalies for West Chester are obtained using the 2.1F difference between 2012-24 and 1949-69 from the Phoenixville and Coatesville records. Removing the large post-war station moves and the differences between stations is sufficient to bring the raw data and NOAA into very good alignment for the long-term climate trend.. Not surprisingly, there are short-term differences between between the raw data and NOAA, mainly Phoenixville and Coatesville, between 1960 and 1990, when these stations had periodic adjustments. This shows that for the big picture long-term trend, most of the NOAA adjustments don't move the needle. Only the big moves, with roughly 2F cooling, obscure the warming. NOAA's goal is to remove station changes from the raw data leaving only weather and climate. This comparison shows that NOAA has met their objective in Chester County. If you aren't matching NOAA, you aren't getting the county climate right. -
Chester County PA - Analytical Battle of Actual vs. Altered Climate Data
chubbs replied to ChescoWx's topic in Climate Change
No I can follow your argument. You are making an argument of incredularity, a common logical fallacy. You can't believe that NCEI could be right. The problem is you don't understand how adjustments are estimated. There is an easy explanation for your list of #. The 1946 and 48 moves are not the only station change at Coatesville. Other station changes occurred before 1948. Adjustments start at the present and work backwards. The most recent Coatesville 1SW data is from 1982. You have to start in 1982 and work back in time. To evaluate the adjustments you have to compare Coatesville to raw data from other stations. Station changes are identified when Coatesville doesn't match other regional stations. Coatesville results by themselves, as you have listed, don't provide any evidence about station adjustments. -
Chester County PA - Analytical Battle of Actual vs. Altered Climate Data
chubbs replied to ChescoWx's topic in Climate Change
You don't understand how adjustments work. A single station move triggers adjustments for every year before the move. The City of Coatesville was warmer than Doe Run Road in 1946, 1945 , 1944, 1943 and so on. Clearly seen from the chart. That's how we know the cooling was move-related. The effect is persistent. -
Chester County PA - Analytical Battle of Actual vs. Altered Climate Data
chubbs replied to ChescoWx's topic in Climate Change
NCEI uses a proven scientific procedure to find inconsistencies between stations in the raw data. All the adjustments come directly from the raw data. There is no human intervention during the adjustment process. As an example, easy to see the impact of the two Coatesville moves in 1946 and 1948. Easy for most people that is. These charts are all posted upthread. 1945 site 1948 and later site -
Another perspective on global oisst. So far this year looks a lot like 2023, which had a large rise in SST at the very beginning of the nino cycle. This year started its rapid rise even earlier around New Years. https://cyclonicwx.com/sst/
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Linked the Geological Society of London's 2021 review article on climate change in the geological record. Observations from the geological record show that atmospheric CO2 concentrations are now at their highest levels in at least the past 3 million years. Furthermore, the current speed of human-induced CO2 change and warming is nearly without precedent in the entire geological record, with the only known exception being the instantaneous, meteorite-induced event that caused the extinction of non-bird-like dinosaurs 66 million years ago. https://www.lyellcollection.org/doi/full/10.1144/jgs2020-239
