Good post, Phil. As I always say, I'm no forecaster-- not even on the hobbyist level-- but the Euro and the GFS have very little credibility this year, as far as I'm concerned. They both bombed with Ernie-- simple as that. The GFS did score that semi-win with Debby, but the Euro bombed on that one, tool So I'm not exactly gonna write this one off because these two models do. Not after Ernie.