famartin Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I also agree, this was probably the worst case scenario. It would be extremely hard to get a true cat 3 up to NYC and take a track like Sandy did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I'm hearing the refineries have no power. Is this true? We already have no gas. This could turn into an unforeseen disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I also agree, this was probably the worst case scenario. It would be extremely hard to get a true cat 3 up to NYC and take a track like Sandy did. I guess it would probably weaken if it took a similar path? Is there any way we could get a true low end cat 3 and have all other factors also in place to produce total devastation on an even wider and more extreme scale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CooL Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 If you want gas you are gonna have to wait 3 hours. The gas lines go back for blocks and blocks and they are being monitored by the police so no one cuts. Its also getting cold and many people still don't have power. The repair rate right now is pretty slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 All things considered they are moving pretty fast. PSE&G says 900,000 out of the 1.7 million are restored so more than half. I'm one of the 750,000+ who will have to wait until early next week to get power back I'm sure. Should have clarified, PSE&G is moving pretty fast, not the gas lines. If you want gas you are gonna have to wait 3 hours. The gas lines go back for blocks and blocks and they are being monitored by the police so no one cuts. Its also getting cold and many people still don't have power. The repair rate right now is pretty slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Definitely agreed. The storm's track allowed for the sting jet to be located right over NYC/LI...that combined with the MAUL at high tide gave us the worst possible scenario. If you shift the track north, that sting jet shifts north. Also remember that if Sandy was a Cat 3 and earlier in the season, we wouldn't have had the autumn season jet dynamics interacting like they did. A hybrid storm is arguably the worst thing possible this time of year for us as well, with the storm deepening in pressure and the dynamics maxing out overhead. When we were able to effectively those winds down, it was game over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 All things considered they are moving pretty fast. PSE&G says 900,000 out of the 1.7 million are restored so more than half. I'm one of the 750,000+ who will have to wait until early next week to get power back I'm sure. Should have clarified, PSE&G is moving pretty fast, not the gas lines. LIPA only has electricity to 23% of nassau county...think about that, i dont call that fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wannabehippie Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 LIPA only has electricity to 23% of nassau county...think about that, i dont call that fast. Considering 90% was out after the storm? It is a hell of an improvement. This is a big downside to having above ground power lines. But no one wants to pay the money to put them underground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotherm Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Yeah, I'd agree this was virtually the worst case. A summer-time Cat 2 or 3 barreling down on the area would likely have the strong wind field very concentrated, not a 150-200 mile wide zone of hurricane force winds. The inland mixing likely would have been less, with nowhere near as many strong gusts. TTN saw 68mph peak wind gust - that may not have happened if the storm was not turning hybrid. I recall in Ernesto of 2006, wind difference was huge between my town in Colts Neck Monmouth County, and along the shore near Belmar. There were gusts into the 50s / near 60mph on the beach but back 10 miles inland my gusts were generally in the 30s/40s with sustained in the 10s/20s - mediocre event. Isabel of 2003 was like that as well. Generally meager winds inland and much stronger on the beaches. That tends to be the case with most tropical events up here. Sandy featured damaging winds well inland - out to eastern PA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Considering 90% was out after the storm? It is a hell of an improvement. This is a big downside to having above ground power lines. But no one wants to pay the money to put them underground. It is a fairly good improvement, but just consider that those might've been the "easy fixes". They probably have a long way to go where whole poles were taken down. I posted a picture of a road back home where a whole row of them were demolished. That will take a while to fix. When they get to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Yeah, I'd agree this was virtually the worst case. A summer-time Cat 2 or 3 barreling down on the area would likely have the strong wind field very concentrated, not a 150-200 mile wide zone of hurricane force winds. The inland mixing likely would have been less, with nowhere near as many strong gusts. TTN saw 68mph peak wind gust - that may not have happened if the storm was not turning hybrid. Not to mention the 70 mph gust all the way out at ABE. Damn impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Considering 90% was out after the storm? It is a hell of an improvement. This is a big downside to having above ground power lines. But no one wants to pay the money to put them underground. It would cost a fortune to bury them all now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Oak Beach Island on LI: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny and Warm Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Considering 90% was out after the storm? It is a hell of an improvement. This is a big downside to having above ground power lines. But no one wants to pay the money to put them underground. Hilton Head is in the middle of a 15 year project to bury all its lines. That's 76 miles of lines at a cost of a 3% surcharge on your utility bill each month for 15 years. Yeah, it's a lot of money, but when the next hurricane hits, all we'll have to do is fix the high voltage lines coming on island if they are damaged. It is a very small cost compared to the lack of tourism dollars the Jersey shore will see next year. Maybe instead of an electricity surcharge, they can charge tourists something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bobbutts Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Higher category would have been more devastating inland, but not necessarily worse or even as bad for flooding. We should pay more attn to IKE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 You all know the Central Park top wind gust is BS. Jus wanted to throw that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wannabehippie Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 It would cost a fortune to bury them all now. Yeah prices I have seen will cost 30-40 billion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 You all know the Central Park top wind gust is BS. Jus wanted to throw that out there. Its not "bs". Its just what happens when you try to measure wind in a sheltered site. My parents only gusted to 43 mph, thanks to the little forest nearby. By comparison, Trenton Airport gusted to 68. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfsheepsheadbay Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Its not "bs". Its just what happens when you try to measure wind in a sheltered site. My parents only gusted to 43 mph, thanks to the little forest nearby. By comparison, Trenton Airport gusted to 68. I think the skepticism is borned from a history of questionable readings at Central Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Its not "bs". Its just what happens when you try to measure wind in a sheltered site. My parents only gusted to 43 mph, thanks to the little forest nearby. By comparison, Trenton Airport gusted to 68. Well that's what I meant by BS. That the measurement of the wind there does not represent the strength of the actual winds over that general region, just the sheltered ASOS in the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonClaw Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 NBC has reported ConEd said that those without power might not see any until the 10th and maybe even later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaoPos Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Models starting to show a coastal (990-1000mb) coastal storm next tues-Thursday time frame. Something to keep an eye on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntenseBlizzard2014 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Westchester County's Power Outages are diminishing steadily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 NBC has reported ConEd said that those without power might not see any until the 10th and maybe even later. I know of at least 15 people that have had their power restored in Brooklyn and Queens by Coned. Some as early as Tuesday afternoon. 1 person was on a block in Bayside, Queens that had 4 power poles snapped in half and multiple trees scattered on the lines and homes. And Coned cleaned it all up and his power was restored last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I know of at least 15 people that have had their power restored in Brooklyn and Queens by Coned. Some as early as Tuesday afternoon. 1 person was on a block in Bayside, Queens that had 4 power poles snapped in half and multiple trees scattered on the lines and homes. And Coned cleaned it all up and his power was restored last night. is this happening over a wide area or are these just anecdotes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 is this happening over a wide area or are these just anecdotes? Different areas of Brooklyn and Queens. Everyone that I know in Nassau County that lost power, still has no power. LIPA always takes forever. Coned is usually very fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowlover11 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Westchester County's Power Outages are diminishing steadily. where? Im still without power and im getting more and more angry...yeah im thankful all i lost was power and my heart goes out to the families that lost love ones and their property but come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dsnowx53 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Just nitpicking here, but the daily climate report actually has 85mph for JFK, even though the PNS only states 79. Not sure why the discrepancy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Just nitpicking here, but the daily climate report actually has 85mph for JFK, even though the PNS only states 79. Not sure why the discrepancy? Looked like the ASOS took some kind of hit around the time of the max wind. From the daily summary the max wind was just after 8PM, but the next hourly has a dollar sign and no "pk wnd" remark, so something happened around that time (not surprisingly). As far as OKX missing it, I think (don't quote me on this) that they have a program which pulls out the gust reports from the METARs, so since it wasn't in the METAR it got missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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