J.Spin Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 There’s at least another tenth of an inch of accumulation on the board since the clearing... We finished up with a final two tenths of an inch of snow yesterday morning to bring the storm total here at the house to 1.2 inches. Like Powderfreak and other folks we know from around here, we headed down to Pico to take advantage of the great ski conditions afforded by October snow on snow from the Thursday and Saturday systems. At the base of Pico (2,000’) I measured 5.5 inches of snow in the parking lot that appeared to have been plowed since the Thursday storm, so that was likely the ground accumulation at that elevation from the Saturday storm. At that same elevation I measured 11 inches of snow on picnic tables, which was probably the settled depth of snow from the two storms at the base. On our ascent of the mountain, we generally measured settled snow depths of 12 to 16 inches up to 3,300’ elevation, with a few drifts to 24 inches. The skiing was great as Powderfreak said; the snow had fallen a little dense, and in some spots it was touched a bit by wind, but it really stayed pretty dry while we were out there in the morning into midday. Spots near the base area in the sun were certainly starting to get sticky in the afternoon, but on the upper mountain I think the temperature stayed near or below freezing because the snow was really quite excellent. The sun gradually increased as the morning went on and it turned into one of those ski days where you almost forget to even think about the weather because it was so perfect. I added a few shots from yesterday below: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Nice pics, J.Spin! The best photos of any region appear here in NNE. Power was restored at stately Jayhawk Estates around 9 AM yesterday, bringing the outage total to 32 hours. Not shabby work by CMP considering they estimated 200,000 were in the dark at some point during the storm. Zero trick-or-treaters last night, which is not surprising given the sparsely-populated unlit road I live on combined with the fact the house is probably 400' from the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Nice pics, J.Spin! The best photos of any region appear here in NNE. Thanks Jayhawk; we’re really blessed with natural beauty here in NNE, and we seem to have a number of photographers on americanweather that do a great job of capturing it. Glad to hear that your power is back already; ours was down for a couple of days with Irene and indeed it gets old pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Thanks Jayhawk; we’re really blessed with natural beauty here in NNE, and we seem to have a number of photographers on americanweather that do a great job of capturing it. Glad to hear that your power is back already; ours was down for a couple of days with Irene and indeed it gets old pretty quickly. It is true about the photographers here in the NNE thread... Our posting rate pales to the SNE crew but there are always some great photos in here. Between myself, JSpin, allenson, Wxeye, Borderwx, klm, and everyone else we get some great photography of our region. And they aren't like cell phone out-the-car-window shots either....almost all of the photos here could be in a NNE calendar or postcards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Nice report JSpin... What time were you there? Surprised we didn't run into you. We were there by like 830-9am and left around 1pm. Also meant to tell you that there was almost 2" on the cars at the Waterbury park and ride around 630am. I was a little surprised you didn't have more than 1.2"...unless I just can't read a ruler because my obs were around a half inch higher than jvt in Stowe and yours in Waterbury LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allenson Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Another cool, frosty morning out there--got down to 27f and there's still an average of about an inch on the ground at the house. Looks to be a fairly quiet week ahead. One thing that I'm looking forward to is the return to standard time this weekend. It's pretty much dark by the time I get home from work these days anyway so the evenings are basically shot for any outdoor activities. We might as well get a little light back into the mornings for while, eh? I'm seeing kids waiting for the school bus and walking to school in blackness and it's not even December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 It is true about the photographers here in the NNE thread... Our posting rate pales to the SNE crew but there are always some great photos in here. Between myself, JSpin, allenson, Wxeye, Borderwx, klm, and everyone else we get some great photography of our region. And they aren't like cell phone out-the-car-window shots either....almost all of the photos here could be in a NNE calendar or postcards. You do have some amazing photography in your region. Mine is mostly just stuff in my yard. Your yard is...how do we say... a bit bigger...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adk Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 It is true about the photographers here in the NNE thread... Our posting rate pales to the SNE crew but there are always some great photos in here. Between myself, JSpin, allenson, Wxeye, Borderwx, klm, and everyone else we get some great photography of our region. And they aren't like cell phone out-the-car-window shots either....almost all of the photos here could be in a NNE calendar or postcards. Trying this again.... Anyway...there are some good photos of the Pico region here: http://www.famousinternetskiers.com/trip-reports/11-12/halloween-costume/ I don't shoot. I ski and tell them where to go for pows. I'm the telemaker. I leave it up to you to decide if that's my real hair. Anywho- I can confirm the depths the J-Spin found. 12-16 was the order of the day with a few pockets that skied a touch deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 Still 1"+ IMBY this morning, with upper 20s and some ground fog. Yesterday's high of 46 would've melted everything in sight had this been March rather than October. Many hours of near-constant 33F showers in the woods yesterday (Rangeley country had 4-5", same as MBY), as snowmelt drips and slushy splats got us thoroughly wet over and over. For an added attraction, the tracts we check-cruised had lots of doghair fir-spruce 10-25' tall and just waiting to dump their semi-melted snow loads. Good to hear that Chateau-du-Jayhawk has powered up. Some folks farther S & W still have days to wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borderwx Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 headlamp season Allenson, looking forward to the time change too tamarack -I would love to tag along on those work rides, you get a look at a lot of country not to many eyes see. Re pictures/NNE: you guys are on another level, I enjoy all those pics, I always think I am annoying someone by posting mine we may not have the traffic/banter of other areas but IMO moaning and gloating aren't qualities that endure for long up here so they don't clog up our airwaves that being said - nice ones PF, Jspin, adk. admire the effort to get some snow, the drive to Burke (40miles) is about my limit for skiing good week to finish buttoning up the house, boring as all hell, but the sand is no doubt running out roadside snow still hanging on in the shadows up here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 headlamp season Allenson, looking forward to the time change too tamarack -I would love to tag along on those work rides, you get a look at a lot of country not to many eyes see. Re pictures/NNE: you guys are on another level, I enjoy all those pics, I always think I am annoying someone by posting mine we may not have the traffic/banter of other areas but IMO moaning and gloating aren't qualities that endure for long up here so they don't clog up our airwaves that being said - nice ones PF, Jspin, adk. admire the effort to get some snow, the drive to Burke (40miles) is about my limit for skiing good week to finish buttoning up the house, boring as all hell, but the sand is no doubt running out roadside snow still hanging on in the shadows up here It's been a privilege to work in the Maine woods since 1976. However, at 5:15 yesterday and soaked in icewater, as we finished the last plot in a fir thicket with darkness gathering, and knowing we had an hour's walk back to the vehicle, was not an experience I'd wish for every day. No complaints, though, just bragging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Trying this again.... Anyway...there are some good photos of the Pico region here: http://www.famousinternetskiers.com/trip-reports/11-12/halloween-costume/ I don't shoot. I ski and tell them where to go for pows. I'm the telemaker. I leave it up to you to decide if that's my real hair. Anywho- I can confirm the depths the J-Spin found. 12-16 was the order of the day with a few pockets that skied a touch deeper. Yep definitely a good day. When did you guys get there? I ran into four different parties of Stowe locals (funny when a central VT resort parking lot has more Mansfield cars in it then their own locals), but never saw you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Yep definitely a good day. When did you guys get there? I ran into four different parties of Stowe locals (funny when a central VT resort parking lot has more Mansfield cars in it then their own locals), but never saw you guys. Is Pico considered it's own area? Looks very nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsnowstorm628 Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 All snow gone in Lyndonville...warm day today..got to 51..after a low of 28.8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Is Pico considered it's own area? Looks very nice Pico used to be a separate area but was bought by Killington maybe 10 years ago, maybe more than that. I know there had been talk of connecting Killington and Pico but don't know if that ever happened. One of the ski guys could chime in on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpetrics Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 1320172408[/url]' post='1088605']Yep definitely a good day. When did you guys get there? I ran into four different parties of Stowe locals (funny when a central VT resort parking lot has more Mansfield cars in it then their own locals), but never saw you guys. The first Sunday session ran from a bit before 7am to 1230ish. Earned 7 laps in that timeframe, and then the crew broke up. We Lunched for about 2 hours then i went back out and got two more in the afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpetrics Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 1320194342[/url]' post='1089644']Pico used to be a separate area but was bought by Killington maybe 10 years ago, maybe more than that. I know there had been talk of connecting Killington and Pico but don't know if that ever happened. One of the ski guys could chime in on that. That's about right. The sale was more like 15 years ago though. The interconnect is still planned. Permits were renewed in August. There actually is a trail that leads ONE WAY Pico->Killington. The trail escorts the sewage from Killington's Grand Hotel up and over Pico, to where it can connect to a capable sewer nearer Rutland. It's entirely un sanctioned, but this "poop chute" can be skied. An hourly free bus can then be taken from snowshed back to Pico. Good fun for an adventurous skier! No patrol services though!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Only snow left here is in shady or north faceing areas which should be gone tomorow.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Only snow left here is in shady or north faceing areas which should be gone tomorow.. Ours is holding firm, still have total coverage. November sun angle FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allenson Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 headlamp season Allenson, looking forward to the time change too Re pictures/NNE: you guys are on another level, I enjoy all those pics, I always think I am annoying someone by posting mine we may not have the traffic/banter of other areas but IMO moaning and gloating aren't qualities that endure for long up here so they don't clog up our airwaves Indeed--the headlamp has its very own wall-mounted hook on which it lies, always at the ready. And nah, not annyoying--pics are always good. Let's see 'em, everyone. Moaning and gloating are not the Yankee way--simply to endure, ha-ha. 25F this morning after reaching 50F even yesterday for a high--pretty much a repeat of the day before, if a few degrees warmer. Good sugaring weather? Little bit of snow left in the yard this morning.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 The first Sunday session ran from a bit before 7am to 1230ish. Earned 7 laps in that timeframe, and then the crew broke up. We Lunched for about 2 hours then i went back out and got two more in the afternoon. Jesus h you guys are animals...haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Re pictures/NNE: you guys are on another level, I enjoy all those pics, I always think I am annoying someone by posting mine we may not have the traffic/banter of other areas but IMO moaning and gloating aren't qualities that endure for long up here so they don't clog up our airwaves Your pics are awesome dude...I don't get to see that area of VT much. Used to spend a good deal of time in Brownington and also Salem lake in Derby...that's the real Gods Country. 26F right now with freezing fog. Actually have some light rime on surfaces and my car top had vertical frost feathers around a CM high. It definitely felt more like rime as it was all crumbling as you touched it. Winter is slowly moving closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Now that it's past Nov 1st, it's time for serious snowmaking discussions and it looks like we will have a shot to fire up the system on Friday night and Saturday night. May be able to run up high for a bit into the daytime Sat and/or Sun. Problem is nights like last night are no good as its 26F in town, 30F at the base, and 34F at the summit....need deeper cold air! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted November 2, 2011 Author Share Posted November 2, 2011 Low 20s with considerable ground fog out my way this AM. About half my lawn was still white when I headed in to work - reported "T" to cocorahs. Probably 2-3" OG along Rt 27 on Mile Hill, 300-400' higher than my place. Given the recent past, I can't complain a bout the upcoming week's wx looking like total boredom. Last few gfs runs have included significant cooling during 3rd week of Nov - we'll see when that actually arrives, as such things often seem to get pushed back a few days as the time approaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Nice report JSpin... What time were you there? Surprised we didn't run into you. We were there by like 830-9am and left around 1pm. We didn’t get there until mid morning actually; it was after 10:00 A.M. by the time we pulled into the Pico base area. I blame the boys, those slackers! Actually though, despite the slower pace, it’s more than worth it to get to do the outings with the whole family, and the boys become stronger and more self-sufficient each year, so things are already faster than a few seasons ago. Also meant to tell you that there was almost 2" on the cars at the Waterbury park and ride around 630am. I was a little surprised you didn't have more than 1.2"...unless I just can't read a ruler because my obs were around a half inch higher than jvt in Stowe and yours in Waterbury LOL. For my location I just figured it was a temperature issue melting some of the snow, since I don’t think we even got below freezing during the snowfall (temperature was 32.5 F at the 6:00 A.M. observation time). But, the snow density came in at a reasonably dry 9.0% H2O (11 to 1) upon analysis that morning, so it doesn’t look like melting compaction was the issue. I went and looked at the CoCoRaHS precipitation map for Sunday morning (inserted below), and I’d say that explains it nicely. I think our location was just far enough west that the amount of precipitation was really starting to fall off. If you look at the 0.09” of liquid received at our location (circled in red on the map below), it is very much in line with values seen over in Chittenden County on the western slopes, and you can see how it falls off even more once you get farther west into the Champlain Valley. Those 0.23” and 0.24” reports just off to our Northeast on the map are the Waterbury 4.6 NNE and Waterbury 3.3 NE sites respectively, so just in those few miles within our town the precipitation went up 2 to 3 fold. Those sites reported 2.5” and 1.8” of new snow respectively, so I could certainly see the Waterbury Park and Ride getting the 2” that you saw. I’m not as sure about the difference between you and j24vt without the liquid data – but maybe it’s elevation? I know you’re up the mountain road a good piece, where’s j24vt located in town? We’re really lucky to have all the great CoCoRaHS observers around here to follow these events in such detail though; it would be fantastic to have the density of observations that we have in the Chittenden/Washington County area throughout the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Yeah great points J. There was a sharp line there near our area on the cut-off. I actually amended my "car measurement" to 1" because the Stowe CoCoRAHS guy had 1.0". I might have just been measuring in a groove or something which is why normally I don't do it on my SUV roof. It was just convenient that morning. And IIRC jvt has a snowboard on the ground...I doubt it matters but can ground heat transfer through a board like that? And knowing where jvt is (north side of town towards Mo'ville) I don't think either of us can be more than 100ft different in elevation. There are some upslope events though where I certainly do a bit better but in general the MTN Rd snows more than the RT100 area just because of proximity to the Spine. Snow slowly increases as you head to the MTN as you know and every half mile to a mile makes a big difference sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j24vt Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Our elevation is 725' I have a board that is about 3 feet off the ground. I didn't measure until 9 in the morning and there had definately been some melting as the bottom .25" was very slushy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I doubt it matters but can ground heat transfer through a board like that? There is certainly a degree of heat transfer through the boards, which will of course vary with thickness, composition etc., but it is possible to get melting of the snow on the board from the heat of the ground. Fortunately, the process works both ways, and you can also have heat drawn away by snowpack under a board to keep it cooler. This is very nice in events with marginal temperatures for those of us that can’t be at the board all the time. Since one is supposed to try to catch the maximum accumulation of the snow before it melts/settles, I always try to have at least one ground-based board out on the snowpack to minimize whatever melting might take place in events where the temperature rises above freezing at some point. It’s won’t save the snow from extremely warm temperatures, but it can really help if the temperature is a few degrees above freezing. I’ve come home on occasion to find the snow on my elevated board melted down or even evaporated, whereas the boards on the snowpack held onto the snow due to the cooling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Our elevation is 725' I have a board that is about 3 feet off the ground. I didn't measure until 9 in the morning and there had definately been some melting as the bottom .25" was very slushy. Yeah I figured you were somewhere between 700-800ft... I must've mis-read at some point, thought you had a board on the ground. Last year I used a wooden picnic table out back (figured it was about the same as a board 3 feet off the ground) but that table has since disappeared so I'll need to figure something else out. My altimeter gives me 790ft or so, and google maps is between 760-800ft (40ft intervals). 800ft contour hits Mountain Road right at that corner near Edelweiss Deli/General Store and I'm right before that. I always just say 800ft because its a rough rounded elevation...I can walk to it in 3 minutes. Its always amazing to me how slowly the Mountain Road rises... as in its 700ft or so in the village center but doesn't hit 1,000ft for 6 miles, just past the Matterhorn. In fact I think the Matterhorn is only like 960ft or something like that...which is why the Bruce is so awesome because you get a legitimate 3,000 vertical foot ski run. The 900ft contour is at Topnotch/Nordic Barn. Jvt we will have to meet sometime at the mountain and take a run with our mutual friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j24vt Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Powderfreak, You should do the Ski Bum races on Tuesdays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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